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Studio One 7.2 - Discussion Thread

"Continuous scroll" is nice to have. However, as soon as you display the content of several MIDI tracks together in the piano roll editor the scrolling display gets quite choppy. I don't think my machine would be too weak to have a smoother experience...
 
So, just tested the Efficiency Core utilization. I have a M4 Base Model Mac Mini.

Using James' Zhan Gojira Amp test, with version 7.2 I was able to get 99 tracks vs 72 tracks using version 7.1.

But, when I tried with 32 samples, It was more stable without using efficiency cores. Both capped 42 tracks, but the ECore version was utilizing 56% of CPU but spiking like crazy. The PCore version was using 65% but with a lot less spikes.

Overall, good to have the option to enable it. I'm probably gonna let using only PCores by now because I mainly use 32 samples nowadays, but good to know that if I need more power (when mixing a track with a lot of tracks), I can just activate it. (And that I'm pretty much covered with a m4 base mac mini, rather than paying 3x for a Pro)

Actual graph when running full power (was using 34W btw, double what it usually uses)

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Craig Anderton said:
Before people think Sub Zero Bass is "just another instrument," check it out. I always use my own bass samples and synth presets, but that might change.
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Its a beautiful instrument with many sounds up in the normal octave ranges too. Some wonderful sound effects and atmos effects in this too.
 
I updated and decided to check out Tuner2. Well it's seems I don't have it. All I have is the old one.

I figured out what I did wrong...

When I opened S1 I didn't get the popup window that a new update was available. I had to click on check for updates so I had not actually installed 7.2 just Sub Zero.
 
dgsamper said:
So, just tested the Efficiency Core utilization. I have a M4 Base Model Mac Mini.

Using James' Zhan Gojira Amp test, with version 7.2 I was able to get 99 tracks vs 72 tracks using version 7.1.

But, when I tried with 32 samples, It was more stable without using efficiency cores. Both capped 42 tracks, but the ECore version was utilizing 56% of CPU but spiking like crazy. The PCore version was using 65% but with a lot less spikes.

Overall, good to have the option to enable it. I'm probably gonna let using only PCores by now because I mainly use 32 samples nowadays, but good to know that if I need more power (when mixing a track with a lot of tracks), I can just activate it. (And that I'm pretty much covered with a m4 base mac mini, rather than paying 3x for a Pro)

Actual graph when running full power (was using 34W btw, double what it usually uses)

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This does work for sure. I have got an M2 with 8 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores. Getting the other 4 to work is excellent indeed. I have found sessions that may have not played well without this ticked certainly playback smoothly with this feature engaged. You need to experiment too by trying different combinations of buffer settings and DP settings too. Limiting your buffers to 32 samples during a heavy mixdown may not yield the best performance. I found I got much better results with different buffer and DP settings.

You can open one of two CPU meters that show you core usage. You have opened the normal window but there is another one. In Activity Monitor go to Window then check CPU Usage. Also Check Keep CPU Windows on Top A smaller CPU window now shows up but its better. It refreshes much faster and at any given instant gives you a good quick reading of how the CPU cores are being used. You can now stop, change buffers and DP etc and then go into play and see the immediate results. Its a better window for tweaking settings. With the right combination of buffers and DP I always got a better result with the efficiency cores option checked.

If the session plays well without the efficiency cores then checking this option won't do much. It comes into its own when the session is on the brink of breaking up without this option checked. Then when checked it will play nice especially after some buffer/DP tweaking. Best to just leave it checked all the time.
 
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I tested lots of things for several hours today - loaded some massive projects and libarires, played around with a bunch of plugins, and lots more. Not a single problem so far, and the multitude of glitches and hiccups that I had been experiencing are gone. It also runs buttery smooth on my M3 Ultra Studio (finally!) no matter what I throw at it.

So far, this is the best S1 update in a while for me, it all feels solid again - well done PreSonus!
 
js1 said:
In the new release, they've added support to use the efficiency cores of the M4, and this is turned on by default in the audio preferences. Try turning this off. I was getting spiking like you with some plugins, and turning off the use of the efficiency cores got me back to normal (at least, so far). With an M4 Max, you don't really need the efficiency cores.

I like that Studio One stuck to the performance cores, as all the other apps I run (browsers, Evernote, Preview, etc) happily live on the efficiency cores, keeping the performance cores reserved for S1. Early on, I did a load test, and even when loaded to the limit, it behaved stably. But I'm on an M4 Pro, and there's more than enough performance cores. However, taking advantage of the efficiency cores on the base M4 would add a lot of extra cycles.

This is a major change to the audio engine, so there might be a few teething problems.
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Thanks for that. Yes, switching off efficiency cores solved the problem.
So, is it better to have efficiency cores off and dropout protection off, or efficiency cores on and dropout protection at minimum. Both combos solve the spiking issue for me.
 
dgsamper said:
But, when I tried with 32 samples, It was more stable without using efficiency cores. Both capped 42 tracks, but the ECore version was utilizing 56% of CPU but spiking like crazy. The PCore version was using 65% but with a lot less spikes.
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That's a usual and expected behavior when using efficiency cores.

Follow this thread for more details:

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Studio One Doesn't Use Efficiency Cores.... Or does it ?

I read through a few posts here about SO non-use of efficiency cores, and saw it as the devs choice in design. Then I caught this video, where SO Revealed shows that with certain plugins (Amplitube in particular) it does. If you're interested here's the video.... ( 19:20 mins )...
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TL;DR:

Efficiency cores are not intended for real-time processing such as audio streams. There is a high risk of dropouts when used in a lower buffering scenario. They're designed for energy efficiency, not maximum performance or low-latency tasks. This is one of the reasons why many DAWs don't use e-cores at all. Using efficiency cores in large buffer scenarios can work well, but problems could arise if background applications are open and/or system performance system performance approaches its limits.
 
apessino said:
I tested lots of things for several hours today - loaded some massive projects and libarires, played around with a bunch of plugins, and lots more. Not a single problem so far, and the multitude of glitches and hiccups that I had been experiencing are gone. It also runs buttery smooth on my M3 Ultra Studio (finally!) no matter what I throw at it.

So far, this is the best S1 update in a while for me, it all feels solid again - well done PreSonus!
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Can i ask what type of glitches/issues you were having before? I had the same (M1 Pro) so curious to know if we had the same kind of issues so i can test the new version out
 
danam said:
Almost exactly 10 years after my feature request we now got proper pre-roll and post-roll for auto-punch. That made my day, thanks!
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Basically, this function is not a feature request, but rather an elementary function without which a modern DAW should never have been released. And that also applies to Studio One. And thus since September 2009! I will never understand what a loop function should have to do with an auto-punch in and out function. These are two completely independent and elementary functions in a modern DAW. After about 16! Years ago, correcting this mistake is not exactly a page of glory for PreSonus.
 
Trommler said:
Basically, this function is not a feature request, but rather an elementary function without which a modern DAW should never have been released. And that also applies to Studio One. And thus since September 2009! I will never understand what a loop function should have to do with an auto-punch in and out function. These are two completely independent and elementary functions in a modern DAW. After about 16! Years ago, correcting this mistake is not exactly a page of glory for PreSonus.
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I personally agree. On the other hand there are still DAWs that don't have it (Reason comes to my mind) and even Cubase and pro Tools took their time IIRC. Marketing over function...
 
leosoft said:
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I found it on mypresonus account->MY PRODUCTS->Studio One Pro 7
and under "THIS PRODUCT COMES WITH..." as the last download, you found the "SUB ZERO BASS" new instrument.

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I think to remember that when I bought SO7 the new instruments weren't here but I had downloaded them directly from my presonus account... try it
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Can someone help me find the 'MY PRODUCTS' area in my.presonus.com?

I just don't see it. I see a 'YOUR PRODUCTS' and it lists S1 plus other Presonus products (but not sub-zero).

If I click on S1 I see this:
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Obviously I'm missing something but man they don't make this easy...
 
madFloyd said:
Can someone help me find the 'MY PRODUCTS' area in my.presonus.com?

I just don't see it. I see a 'YOUR PRODUCTS' and it lists S1 plus other Presonus products (but not sub-zero).

If I click on S1 I see this:
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Obviously I'm missing something but man they don't make this easy...
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I believe if you are a Plus Subscriber - which it looks like you are - your page will differ.

Sub Zero Bass should just show up under Studio One->Installation for you

Us "perpetual" users have a "My Products" Area.

VP
 
Vocalpoint said:
I believe if you are a Plus Subscriber - which it looks like you are - your page will differ.

Sub Zero Bass should just show up under Studio One->Installation for you

Us "perpetual" users have a "My Products" Area.

VP
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Man, it's tricky. This is what I'm seeing for Instruments. Obviously I've worked through this mess in the past but I'm stumped:
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I am having the same issue. Subscription-yes.
I can download the sound set, but I see no place to activate or download the actual virtual instrument.

Where is ‘Sub Zero Bass should just show up under Studio One->Installation’?
 
Balinas said:
I am having the same issue. Subscription-yes.
I can download the sound set, but I see no place to activate or download the actual virtual instrument.

Where is ‘Sub Zero Bass should just show up under Studio One->Installation’?
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At least you found the sound set, I couldn't even do that, lol.

Maybe we need a video from @Lukas
 
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