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New NI MKIII S-Series Firmware (v2.0.x) in Studio One 7

Ferdinand said:
No I haven't set it up as an MPE device. I'll try that. If it makes any difference I'll let you know, but I don't think so
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I ask as the H/W integration in Omni may have the NI Kontrols as being MPE capable and therefore expects MPE information?
It may not see the device properly without MPE being enabled in the DAW. I must admit I'm guessing, unless it gets some sort of prompt...Hey I'm MPE it may think you have the wrong controller selected.
This is a hunch and nothing I would bet on, but it might be worth trying.
Good luck.

Kindest regards
 
sintil8 said:
I ask as the H/W integration in Omni may have the NI Kontrols as being MPE capable and therefore expects MPE information?
It may not see the device properly without MPE being enabled in the DAW. I must admit I'm guessing, unless it gets some sort of prompt...Hey I'm MPE it may think you have the wrong controller selected.
This is a hunch and nothing I would bet on, but it might be worth trying.
Good luck.

Kindest regards
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I tried enabling MPE and it made no difference. As far as I know the S49 doesn't qualify as a proper MPE keyboard anyway. It has polyphonic after touch, but not the full MPE specs. Thanks anyway, all suggestions are helpful.
 
@Ferdinand
Yeah, it's a bit of a bind if thats the case. I did hope it would work.
Just for clarification you set MPE in both devices and on the Omni VST itself ? Folk often miss the VST part and have problems with note and CC information not being received. :(

Kindest regards and thank's again for checking.
 
Does Omnisphere support NKS? In other words, if you load it as a Komplete Kontrol instrument, do the knobs work?
 
Midiboy said:
Does Omnisphere support NKS? In other words, if you load it as a Komplete Kontrol instrument, do the knobs work?
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This may not be isolated to just the NI Keyboards, it might be useful if anyone that's jumped in on the Omni 3 release, can try it with any of the other listed Keyboard controller and give it a whirl. If it's the DAW not being able to connect that might throw some light on it.

Best Regards
 
Just daydreaming if a hardware company like Presonus might want to release its own controller keyboard? Avid (ProTools) did it with their M-Audio division, at least for a while, after acquiring the company, then selling it just a couple of years later. Seems like not the worst move for Steinberg/Yamaha either.
 
In the end I created a midi template on the keyboard for Omnisphere myself which has more or less the same functions as the one that should have worked out of the box. Plus I added Up and Down browse buttons to audition sounds. I saved an instance of Omnisphere with all knobs assigned as the default setting for the instrument. The mapping is now instantly available for each new instance. Works well.

It's a kind of effort I wouldn't want to make for each and every instrument and plugin, but no problem doing so for Omnisphere.
 
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Ferdinand said:
In the end I created a midi template on the keyboard for Omnisphere myself which has more or less the same functions as the one that should have worked out of the box. Plus I added Up and Down browse buttons to audition sounds. I saved an instance of Omnisphere with all knobs assigned as the default setting for the instrument. The mapping is now instantly available for each new instance. Works well.

It's a kind of effort I wouldn't want to make for each and every instrument and plugin, but no problem doing so for Omnisphere.
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That's good to hear, glad it's working, so when you change patches and, if the main page changes, the mapping is constant?

I am reading in other DAW forums about this Omni feature of direct control, it would seem Omnisphere is using own MIDI Mapping technique and unless the DAW knows about that it's not feasible for automatic control?

Good its easily sorted tho' cheers for reporting that.

Kindest regards.
 
sintil8 said:
I am reading in other DAW forums about this Omni feature of direct control, it would seem Omnisphere is using own MIDI Mapping technique and unless the DAW knows about that it's not feasible for automatic control?
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The best vid I have seen so far on Omni, the S-Series MKIII and Omni 3 is this one of my fav content creators (from Canada!)

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Jef uses Cubase and it DOES fully support the new MKIII v2 firmware from Native Instruments - watch the video near the end where Jef shows how this firmware, including the hardware editor in Cubase establishes bi-directional control of Omnisphere 3 and really ups the game for hardware control.

This is where (hopefully) we get to go if/when Presonus decides to update S1 to take full advantage of the new MKIII firmware.

VP
 
@Vocalpoint
Jef, does some really good vids, I have watched many, very clear and precise.:cool:

The MiniFreak and the Sub 25 are interesting to me, Jef had to do nothing in Cubase for Omni to respond. I notice he did not talk about feedback of data to the Minfreak + Sub 25 as the controls are hardware identified on the actual controller. "they also have screens?"

About the mapping for Omni in standalone mode ie., no DAW it will or should auto configure to the selected Keyboard/controller.
Automatic feedback to any controller with screens, like the NI stuff is one of the questions I have regarding in standalone mode?
It should not need any mapping, Just select and you are good to go, is the sales pitch?

In the Daw...
Does SO1 have any bi-directional control function or echo back function in Control Link or device mapping ?
The long video I posted in the forum Lounge/Omni thread, Eric towards the end of that vid say's Omni 3 is MIDI 2 ready, go figure.
It's really cool folk are already moving forward on that one. Anyway it's good to get some info about what is, or what is not in Omni 3 and
that stuff can be configured as required if folk want it.

Best regards as always.
 
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Vocalpoint said:
The best vid I have seen so far on Omni, the S-Series MKIII and Omni 3 is this one of my fav content creators (from Canada!)

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Jef uses Cubase and it DOES fully support the new MKIII v2 firmware from Native Instruments - watch the video near the end where Jef shows how this firmware, including the hardware editor in Cubase establishes bi-directional control of Omnisphere 3 and really ups the game for hardware control.

This is where (hopefully) we get to go if/when Presonus decides to update S1 to take full advantage of the new MKIII firmware.

VP
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Very impressed with the demo and Omni 3 and KK actually demonstrating what it could be.

I'm just one guy, but I won't pay for v7 until handshaking with NI gets sorted out.
 
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Vocalpoint said:
What exactly does this mean?

VP
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It means Presonus will be out my hundred bucks until integration with NI is deep enough to persuade you to give up your S61 mkII and break out the mkIII you've been keeping in a box ... and I feel things will stay connected between the two companies. :) I don't think Presonus will be heartbroken about that. If the term "handshaking" was confusing, replace it with "deep integration."
 
MisterE said:
It means Presonus will be out my hundred bucks until integration with NI is deep enough to persuade you to give up your S61 mkII and break out the mkIII you've been keeping in a box ... and I feel things will stay connected between the two companies. :) I don't think Presonus will be heartbroken about that. If the term "handshaking" was confusing, replace it with "deep integration."
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I think you have this all wrong. The only reason that MKIII remains in the box here - has zero to do with Presonus Studio One - and everything to do with NI and their sad excuse for integration software - Komplete Kontrol v3

NI needs to get their head out of the sand and get KKv3 up to the fit and finish of KK v2.9.6 - including restoration of all the features they dumped or stunted from v2.9.6 and then we'll have ourselves a little MKIII party over here.

Conversely - my S61 MKII paired with Komplete Kontrol v2.9.6 AND Studio One v7 is a panacea of total control. I have not a negative thought to report or share on this combo. It is my daily driver and is very mature and rock solid.

And yes - Presonus hopefully will address that new MKIII v2 firmware in a future update - but that is gravy for me right now and has little to no bearing on why my MKIII is chilling in the backroom right now.

Presonus could issue a new S1 update today that enables all the goodness in that MKIII v2 firmware but that still won't make me move. I need a Komplete Kontrol experience that is worthy of this board as well.

VP
 
I'd like to show solidarity and agree NI is the hangup here and would if I didn't already cite two other examples of how S1 is behind the curve getting handshaking ironed out with major keyboard manufacturers (Fantom and MODX-M). Maybe it's up to Roland and Yamaha, too. But it's not a trend I can completely ignore, either, as flattering as I often am to S1 programmers and their streak of releases with very few complaints.
 
MisterE said:
I'd like to show solidarity and agree NI is the hangup here and would if I didn't already cite two other examples of how S1 is behind the curve getting handshaking ironed out with major keyboard manufacturers (Fantom and MODX-M). Maybe it's up to Roland and Yamaha, too. But it's not a trend I can completely ignore, either, as flattering as I often am to S1 programmers and their streak of releases with very few complaints.
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For sure. Presonus has had a great relationship (I think) with NI for a long while so it does not surprise me how well the MKII/MKIII work with S1.

Have no knowledge of how Roland or Yamaha work - but I am pretty sure it takes two to tango when it comes to this stuff.

That is on Presonus to set up some meetings and get a proper dialog going.

But with this new jolt that Spectrasonics is sending with it's killer new hardware integrations in Omni 3 - its only makes good sense that all DAWs answer the call and step up their integrations to all major controllers.

VP
 
sintil8 said:
That's good to hear, glad it's working, so when you change patches and, if the main page changes, the mapping is constant?

I am reading in other DAW forums about this Omni feature of direct control, it would seem Omnisphere is using own MIDI Mapping technique and unless the DAW knows about that it's not feasible for automatic control?

Good its easily sorted tho' cheers for reporting that.

Kindest regards.
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Yes, the mapping is constant, which is due to the fact that Omnisphere has these controls as a constant factor across all patches.
 
Ferdinand said:
Yes, the mapping is constant, which is due to the fact that Omnisphere has these controls as a constant factor across all patches.
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As this is a thread about the MK III, can I ask does the MK III screen update as you change patches?
Or do you have to move the encoder to pickup the Vst GUI positions

This is regarding both standalone and in the DAW use. I am curious have Spectrasonics got bi-directional control function working which is somewhere near the type of integration NI and SO1 should be doing as @Vocalpoint and I dare say others are looking for from KKontrol.
VP please excuse me if this is slightly off topic on your OP.

I will be courteous and not post further Omni question here as a thread in the forum Lounge would be more appropriate for talking about Omni.
Many thanks for answering my questions here tho'.

Kindest regards to all
 
The MK3 updates if you change patches in Omnisphere, so yes, the flow of information is bi-directional. That was a pleasant surprise. I didn't check this for stand-alone because I never use Omnisphere that way. For me it is always inside Studio One. I'm not near my studio now so I can't check. I would think it works bi-directionally as well in stand alone, considering that the integration works directly out of the box in that scenario.
 
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