WHAT IS FENDER STUDIO PRO 8 ??????

[Vocalpoint]

For DAWs to survive they will have to include a lot of AI.

I still think it will be measured by what "kind" of Ai - not how much.

If "Ai" is something like SP8's MIDI extraction - that appears to be very useful. But if they decide to go all "Copilot Microslop" on me - right inside my creative workbench IN the DAW - that is when their "survival" clock starts ticking here.

As long as the vendors can stay in their lane - adding an "Ai" tool here and there should be solid.

VP

 

[3BoxesEast]

And then there's more twists and turns and 'mission creep' - like this 'new' angle on things from Celemony...

Tonalic — a musician by your side

Tonalic adapts real studio performances from world-class musicians to your song’s chords, tempo and groove. No AI, no loops, no MIDI. Just living, musical performances powered by Celemony’s Tonalic Engine and always royalty-free.

www.tonalic.com

Not 'AI' they say; not 'loops and samples' they say; something, more intelligent and with real musicians.

It's very interesting, it's very sophisticated is all I can say. The most benefits seem to come from the full 'Tonalic Studio' edition at around £250 licence per annum... Hmm...

Think this might mean Melodyne has stopped being developed, other than for maintenance updates perhaps. We'll see...

 

[brmichael]

I still think it will be measured by what "kind" of Ai - not how much.

Fender Studio comes with a free plugin called "Auribus Voice". It's a plugin that is supposed to replace the voice on a vocal track by a different, AI-generated voice. You can even let female singers sing with male voices and vice versa. The plugin, however, is only free in the most basic version. If you want advanced features, you have to subscribe and pay a monthly fee.

 

[CoolName]

I mean what we know is that musicians, guitar players included, have never driven DAW advancement or featuresets.

This is why I'm still on v5 and don't plan on getting newer versions. Even going from 4 to 5 was very begrudging. If v5 becomes unusable with newer OS's etc or hardware upgrades just don't gel with it, I'll just go to Reaper.

 

[TimC340]

And then there's more twists and turns and 'mission creep' - like this 'new' angle on things from Celemony...

Tonalic — a musician by your side

Tonalic adapts real studio performances from world-class musicians to your song’s chords, tempo and groove. No AI, no loops, no MIDI. Just living, musical performances powered by Celemony’s Tonalic Engine and always royalty-free.

www.tonalic.com

Not 'AI' they say; not 'loops and samples' they say; something, more intelligent and with real musicians.

It's very interesting, it's very sophisticated is all I can say. The most benefits seem to come from the full 'Tonalic Studio' edition at around £250 licence per annum... Hmm...

Think this might mean Melodyne has stopped being developed, other than for maintenance updates perhaps. We'll see...

I can’t see any justification for this conclusion. What Tonalic does is nothing to do with what Melodyne is used for. Tonalic is a very expensive music-generation tool; Melodyne is a note manipulation tool (an over-simplification, I know).

The need for Melodyne (and its competitors) is not diminished by the existence of Tonalic, and the cost of Tonalic means it’ll stay out of reach of many people.

 

[Gray Wolf]

...the cost of Tonalic means it’ll stay out of reach of many people.

Very true. However, I do think some people may use it as an "on demand" tool. Many people are doing that with music tools and other services that are only available via subscription, only subscribing to them when they actually need it.

Working on a demo and you need guitars? Pay $25 and use Tonalic for a month and cancel it until or unless you need it again. In that light it can be a useful and affordable tool. I don't play guitar but it sounds fine to me.

Of course, whether or not Tonalic's pricing model can sustain enough full time subscribers to keep it viable for them as a product is another completely different longer term question, but not our concern as consumers.

 

[TimC340]

I think that the epidemic of subscription-based music products means that Tonalic is going to struggle to be heard through the noise! I certainly get that subscribing for a month might be a valid tactic, however.

 

[3BoxesEast]

I can’t see any justification for this conclusion. What Tonalic does is nothing to do with what Melodyne is used for. Tonalic is a very expensive music-generation tool; Melodyne is a note manipulation tool (an over-simplification, I know).

The need for Melodyne (and its competitors) is not diminished by the existence of Tonalic, and the cost of Tonalic means it’ll stay out of reach of many people.

Ok... I was maybe a bit clumsy with my wording... And I take your points.

Put it this way, I'm not expecting a Melodyne v6 with big, fab new features and hefty upgrade price, coming any time soon... Melodyne as an app/utility has, for me, reached a peak. Of course, it will continue to sell and will continue to be supported through maintenance updates, maybe even some new processing mechanisms (like we see in the new 'Vovious' app, recently launched). The last Melodyne update was v5.4.2 on Dec 12 2024 - covered 4 items, 3 of which addressing macOS only issues.

Tonalic is where focus is and will be for the foreseeable - more players, more styles, more instruments, etc... A lot of effort.

As for Melodyne being further developed properly in the companies pipeline of resource and marketing of products.? I'm no longer sure, is all I was meaning...

 

[TimC340]

It may be that Melodyne has reached a pretty much optimal state where the only updates needed are to accommodate new DAWs and OS updates. I certainly don't see much demand for improvements. I don't have a need to use it much myself, but I very much appreciate its capabilities when I do need them.

Apparently Tonalic is based on the same engine to some degree, so it may be that developments in that program force updates to the Melodyne engine in time.

 

[John Vere]

Melodyne definitely needs a little bit of work.
I tested the Audio to midi side by side.
It was using very simple Bass parts as well as a few acoustic guitar patterns

Melodyne- the most errors and wrong notes. Durations always too long. Totally useless on guitar. Would require a lot of editing.

Fender Studio pro - Big improvement. Fairly accurate for the bass but guitar parts choppy and unconvincing. Editing still required but a lot less than Melodyne.

Prism - Definitely the best accuracy. Guitar much more convincing. Very little editing required.

Easy to test in Studio pro because you have both Melodyne and the new Audio to notes? built in.
Prism has a demo but after trying it I bought it for around $100.
I ended up having to use Sonar to make the video because I’m not as fluent in Studio pro yet and can’t figure out how to easily flip and solo midi tracks in the PRV

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[Crossinger]

To be fair: Melodyne is „traditional“ algorithmic transient and pitch detection and not AI. That was the most sophisticated thing you could do with a mathematical approach before the advent of AI.

 

[Jens]

I’m not as fluent in Studio pro yet and can’t figure out how to easily flip and solo midi tracks in the PRV.

Use the scroll wheel over the piano drop down track list.