The Fender elves appear to be working (a guess)

[lokeyfly]

At least from viewing the lack of news feeds and that last mishap Gregor put up (still not corrected) sort of indicates that the crew are involved on the development front or support. How else can one explain the lack of activity going on this last month?

Anyway, just adding some thought provoking commentary.

Lets keep thoughts positive, and maybe slip in what you'd want to see in Fender Studio Pro 8.5?, 9.0? , whatever?

Let's have fun with this. Criticism acceptable as pro pessimistic, or kudos where applicable. We can largely agree there needs to be a genuine effort towards picking up the pieces. Hoping they stop with the "fluff" is all I'll say to get the conversation rolling.

 

[Ken Morgan]

Honestly? I'd love to see the introduction/reintroduction of a hybrid hardware/software system developed for and integrated into the SP environment.

McDSP and Softube have some really great things (albeit expensive) things that work on any platform, but if Fender were to make available and market something similar made exclusively for SP users...man, even nobodies like me would be all over that. Add interactive fader banks, which are already available, and the average Joe would/could then be competing with (sound wise) the best shops in the country.

(And don't restrict it to subscription only folks...some of us absolutely HATE that model)

 

[Vocalpoint]

Lack of activity?

Did you guys not see that v8.2.0 was released today?

VP

 

[lokeyfly]

Lack of activity?

Did you guys not see that v8.2.0 was released today?

VP

Ah, cool. I was strictly going by the inactivity of the news feed (just now updated and showing release of 8 2.0). Well there you go. 8.2.0 today! Looks like some relevant uodates fixes along a point two update. I'll have to check a few niggles this evening.

Thanks for noting, Veep.

 

[lokeyfly]

So in thinking v8.5.....

Honestly? I'd love to see the introduction/reintroduction of a hybrid hardware/software system developed for and integrated into the SP environment.

Very nice. Like where you're going with this!

McDSP and Softube have some really great things (albeit expensive) things that work on any platform, but if Fender were to make available and market something similar made exclusively for SP users...man, even nobodies like me would be all over that. Add interactive fader banks, which are already available, and the average Joe would/could then be competing with (sound wise) the best shops in the country.

Indeed, and McDSP make some really useful plugs. I'm a big fan and user. Integrating their plugs with hardware make for very pro saavy usage. Fender seem to not be shy on the hardware front with some of the former Presonus line, so this could grow into something, me thinks.
Nice call.

(And don't restrict it to subscription only folks...some of us absolutely HATE that model)

So true. I see this + (plus) emphasis as a nickel wise and a dollar foolish.

 

[SwitchBack]

I'd love to see the introduction/reintroduction of a hybrid hardware/software system developed for and integrated into the SP environment.

The Series III console mixers are highly integrated with S1/SP, with control working both ways (mixer from DAW and DAW from mixer). The FAT Channel channel strip in SP is in fact the Series III channel strip. Using that as your go to (cue) channel strip makes integration even tighter, allowing SP to import complete mixer channels, settings and all, to have SP reflect exactly what you had on the mixer. And connecting to a Series III mixer means connecting to the entire Series III eco system of mixers, stage boxes and personal stage monitoring.

 

[TimC340]

Honestly? I'd love to see the introduction/reintroduction of a hybrid hardware/software system developed for and integrated into the SP environment.

McDSP and Softube have some really great things (albeit expensive) things that work on any platform, but if Fender were to make available and market something similar made exclusively for SP users...man, even nobodies like me would be all over that. Add interactive fader banks, which are already available, and the average Joe would/could then be competing with (sound wise) the best shops in the country.

(And don't restrict it to subscription only folks...some of us absolutely HATE that model)

Surely the Motion 16 and 32 are exactly this?

 

[Ken Morgan]

Surely the Motion 16 and 32 are exactly this?

I'm talking about compression, EQ, limiting, and such...not drums or synths.

 

[TimC340]

I'm talking about compression, EQ, limiting, and such...not drums or synths.

Ah, ok Ken - I thought you were talking about dedicated hardware. I don't actually have either of these products, so I can't really comment in any detail on how deeply they're integrated with FSP, but it does appear that they are much more than instrument controllers.

 

[SwitchBack]

I'm talking about compression, EQ, limiting, and such...not drums or synths.

Like I said, Series III console mixers.

 

[BoBo]

Hey! Nice initiative!

I have a small list of things which would be nice if the devs would put this into FSP:

Folder related:

Export Folder track as one stem
So we can add bus to a folder (I call it folder track). This is really great (I used it all the time in Bitwig and Reaper back then). But there is no chance to export it with "Export stems". Unfortunately, the tracks in the folder are exported individually and not as one track. I need to do stem export a lot and it would be a big help.

FolderLoops
It would be so Studio one-ish oh sorry... Studio Pro-ish feature if Folders (or Folder tracks) with their track structure and events/audios and automations could be saved and reused in a similar way to musicloops (drag and drop out into browser).
In this case we could store multi layered complex sounds or even ideas and it would be possible to listen back during browsing. Actually, Ableton has this i think.

Browser related:

Right now, it shows the selected audio file's waveform. If I could select a range via mouse drag, and drag and drop that selected part of the audio file to the session, that would be fire. This is a very useful feature for long files.

Searching for files is kinda nice, but it is a little bit strict on symbols between words. If there are long file names with underscores, dashes and so, and you left these out during search, it won't find the files. If it could ignore these symbols and It would only matter when I type them, that would be better, I think....maybe.

Other stuff:

Pitch bending per note in the midi editor is a COOL feature. But i think the best implementation of that is how Bitwig or Ableton does it. Drawing pitch bend on the notes would be more user friendly.

Bouncing multiple selected events to one new track would be great! OR If I could do that on Folder events that would be a solution.

Its a weird idea but Reaper has this low pass fades features on items. When you do a fade in or out on events, you can change it to this low pass mode, and instead of volume fade, it low passes it with that fade curve. Surprisingly useful thing.

Cheers

 

[Ken Morgan]

Like I said, Series III console mixers.

Which are digital (and pretty dang good)...my comment was the integration of digital control of analog components. That's what McDSP and Softube are doing...what SSL is doing with its brand new digital control over a 100% analog console.

Not to stir up that debate again, but there must be something to the analog world - or people wouldn't a) keep finding ways to use it it and b) keep developing plugins to emulate it as closely as writing code allows it.

Exactly every DAW feature software doing its level best to emulate analog, including SO/SP...so why not take the next step and actually incorporate analog instead of emulating it?

That was my just my opinion.

 

[SwitchBack]

Which are digital (and pretty dang good)...my comment was the integration of digital control of analog components. That's what McDSP and Softube are doing...what SSL is doing with its brand new digital control over a 100% analog console.

Not to stir up that debate again, but there must be something to the analog world - or people wouldn't a) keep finding ways to use it it and b) keep developing plugins to emulate it as closely as writing code allows it.

Exactly every DAW feature software doing its level best to emulate analog, including SO/SP...so why not take the next step and actually incorporate analog instead of emulating it?

That was my just my opinion.

First time you mention 'analog' in this thread, but that's fine. Up for debate:

The PreSonus StudioLive Series followed an interesting path. Series I (never officially branded that way) boasted PreSonus' award-winning XMAX analog preamps, controlled by proper multigang analog potentiometers. Most settings on the mixers were recallable except for the preamp settings, to preserve the quality of the original preamp design. But users wanted more so Series II mixers came up with a way to keep the XMAX design but with digital control. It was not great. The original design was built around that multigang pot and without it the specs came out worse. So Series III abandoned the XMAX design, replacing it with a (still discrete) new high quality analog preamp designed with digital control from the start. Moral of the story: Original is original, don't mess with it.

The other point to add to this thread is the quality of modelling, sometimes emulating to perfection the entire behaviour of the original analog circuitry, flaws and all. At some point there will be no measurable difference anymore between the model and its original. For some classics we may be there already. With the introduction of the CD there was this furious debate about the inferior quality compared to the good old LP, and probably people were right at the time. But we've come a long way since then (technologically and hands on learning-wise) and digital audio with all its advantages is now so good that we pine for that analog imperfection, so we model that next, to perfection. After the preamp there will be no need for any hardware other than the ADC. Models will cover the rest, as many instances as you like and need. Companies like SSL will desperately try to keep relevant but it's an uphill struggle at best.

So, hold on to the past or embrace the future? As I said, up for debate.

 

[Ken Morgan]

First time you mention 'analog' in this thread, but that's fine. Up for debate:

I guess thats on me? The products mentioned are fairly well known for their analog circuitry under digital control though

So, hold on to the past or embrace the future? As I said, up for debate.

As stated, if the current trends continue, everything is modeling, with wildly varying degrees of success, the sounds of circuits designed and manufactured in the 1950s - 1970s, and quality hardware is now more affordable than ever, with ultra high end hardware now ‘higher end’ than ever before (Tube Tech, Retro, RND, Neve, API, Wolff, and so many more, all of which starting with 70ish yr old designs and improving on them to unparalleled quality.

As you say though…up for debate, but debate isn’t why I made my original post. Just something I, as one user involved in recording audio for a some time now, would like to see