Studio Pro 8 - Discussion Thread

[TonalDynamics]

I said yes, there needed to be an "All Inputs" option for MIDI Inputs ("Instrument Inputs" in Studio One terms). Back then, you could only select exactly one single input device. He was like "Yeah, that makes sense"… and the next (slightly hungover) morning I had a new beta version in my inbox with the "All Inputs" option added. Suddenly I could play using all my connected synths. Not a super exciting story, but those were the early days - and really good memories.

Luke,

As someone who used v1, I've heard enough over the years to know that it is you who has been the biggest friend to composers and MIDI power-users this DAW has ever had. Whatever cosmic threads aligned in such a novel a way as to allow you to bend the ear of the developers so effectively, I am very grateful for it.

Yes, I remember those early S1 days... and all throughout what to me was the height of the development cadence in versions 4 thru 6.
Rick Naqvi was still doing the full version introductions and I thought he did a great job as an enthusiastic presenter of all the new features...
Full/.5 releases were like walking into a candy store or waking up on Christmas morning.

As an American I can say it was clearly German systems-engineering at its best, and I got to experience that from inside the community who shared my excitement and passion about being able to do stuff with my DAW that nobody else could do.

Sentimentally,
JB

 

[MisterE]

It is. At the time of the release of version 1.0, it already had that name. When I was beta-testing 1.0, it was already "Studio One".

Those were really nice, almost family-like times. Matthias (the developer and father of Studio One - still head of development today) would hang out with us in the evenings, we'd have a few drinks and celebrate. At some point he asked me if anything was bothering me in Studio One, and I said yes, there needed to be an "All Inputs" option for MIDI Inputs ("Instrument Inputs" in Studio One terms). Back then, you could only select exactly one single input device. He was like "Yeah, that makes sense"… and the next (slightly hungover) morning I had a new beta version in my inbox with the "All Inputs" option added. Suddenly I could play using all my connected synths. Not a super exciting story, but those were the early days - and really good memories.

Presonus exec Chad Kelly would also freely share knowledge on how to mod gear like MP20s back in the day.

Must be tough on you keeping the MIDI 2 plans secret!

 

[TonalDynamics]

Fast forward to this week; and I am a bit puzzled by some of the reactions to Fender Studio Pro 8, many of which make absolutely no sense, especially when they suggest Fender Studio Pro 8 somehow is vastly different from PreSonus Studio One 7.2.3, which it isn't.

Mmm, well some might be saying that... I think mostly they are saying what I'm saying in this post, which is that the features/improvements are simply underwhelming, not that it doesn't remotely resemble Studio One anymore.

Glad you enjoyed my new bio and history!

I needed a bio for my Kindle eBooks, so part of the reason for the post was to start working on a bio and to do something useful.

Forgive me but, while your tenure at NASA and writing programs for the shuttle missions is SUPER interesting...
Perhaps the 'Fender Pro Studio 8' release discussion isn't the most ideal thread for these monologues?

 

[CASK]

I feel like the issue for me is the branding, not the software itself. Time will tell. Sorry for the self-spam, but I wrote a blog post on how I see the rebrand and overall change of environment that can be read here.

 

[Sepheritoh]

Couple of points, but I'm sure SurfWhammy will be along to give a more comprehensive answer.

Notion is not included in Studio One/Studio Pro in its entirety. The DAW has a subset of Notion's features in its notation skill, but files can be exchanged in either direction between Notion and S1/FSP.

Fender Studio is not the same as Fender Studio Pro. However, I believe that Studio (essentially the mobile app) can talk to Notion Mobile. What level of detail it can represent or write, I have no idea.

Thanks for reminding me if anything fender manage to add to the naming confusion. Whenever I talk about Studio, I am refering to whatever the DAW will be called which I had with the old Presonus, Studio One Pro +. Yeah, that is a lot to repeat each time so I added confusion by being too lazy to copy and paste the whole name!

 

[Sepheritoh]

Glad you enjoyed my new bio and history!

I needed a bio for my Kindle eBooks, so part of the reason for the post was to start working on a bio and to do something useful.

For practical purposes, NOTION is embedded in Fender Studio Pro 8 in what now is "Edit". There are a few differences, and some of the information also is in the Fender Studio Pro 8 console, like tempo and key signature, although these can be changed in "Edit", where for example if you decide to compose an Interlude in 5/4 time, you can change from 4/4 time (default) to 5/4 time for a while and then change back, which also is the case for the other of the most useful time signatures, 3/4 and perhaps something for Polka and Ska genre songs.

Like you, I have been using NOTION and now the music notation in Fender Studio Pro 8 since 2010 (for NOTION) which I started based on something one of the folks at Guitar Center told me when I was looking for a synthesizer to make "outer space sounds" for my old-time, science-fiction radio plays. I bought an Alesis ION Analog Modeling Synthesizer and soon thereafter discovered all the white keys sounded good, which I now know is because I was doing the music with my 1999 Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster in what I suppose is C Major or A minor, all at a time when I did not know the "all white keys on grand piano map to the Seven Modes", which I now remember using the mnemonic "I Don't Play Lydian Mode A Lot" {Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, Locrian}.

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Thanks! I find your bio interesting but have to admit I am lost when it comes to the very technical music theory. I used Notion to compose music for film. I like to say that because it makes me sound like I know something, but the films were really indi short films and mostly orchestrations of mainly guitar music.

 

[FMN-Music]

How are folks getting on with the changes to single click/double click to open plugins in 'Studio Pro' ?

This one really starting to get to me.
I thought I could easily adapt, but Double Clicking is so deep in my muscle memory, that I constantly have to click about 6 times now just to open a plugin...
First two clicks open the Micro Edit crap, kneejerk reaction to this is to click once again to close it. That surprisingly opens the plugin (oftentimes covering where i need to click to close the Micro Edit crap). I then remember that Double clicking closes the Micro Edit crap and finally do that... minimum 6 clicks.
Instantly in a bad mood...

This is such a missed opportunity to strengthen S1's workflow... hard to believe. So much possibilities to do better..
For example :
- One Click and Double Click opens/closes plugin
- Shift Click opens plugin in addition to already open plugin windows and pins them
- Alt Click open/closes Micro Edit crap
- Ctrl Right Click removes plugin.
- Ctrl&Shift Click (and Drag) turns plugins on/off
- Click&Drag moves plugin
- Alt Click&Drag copies plugin
- Right click opens menu
etc

but I guess we will have to Ctrl right double click to select an event in Servco Pacific Studio Ultra 9, because left click already puts a Fender logo as track image.

sorry for the rant.

 

[Sepheritoh]

You can print sheet music with Fender Studio Pro 8 and also can transfer it to NOTION when you have both applications. NOTION can be used for sheet music; but it's not something I do. Instead, I use a simplified type of music notation specifically to play VSTi virtual instruments, as well as the native virtual instruments that are included with Fender Studio Pro 8 and Reason 13 (Reason Studios).

London Symphony Orchestra (LSO) is included in Fender Studio Pro 8, so it's there if you want to use it. I also have Miroslav Philharmonik 2 (IK Multimedia), all the Waves, EW ComposerCloud+, and collections and subscriptions; so there are several different ways to work with virtual instruments in Fender Studio Pro 8.

Fender Studio Pro 8 does not open NOTION songs directly, so if you want to get a NOTION song into Fender Studio Pro 8, you need to have NOTION 6 and then to do a "Send" action to get the music notation into Fender Studio Pro 8, which is relatively easy to do, although with a few exceptions--sending and receiving--where the key is that both applications key on the certain names of specific instruments to do desired mappings. For example if you have music notation on a staff named "Liberace and Chico Marx Stuff", then it will not transfer to a staff called "Piano" or whatever. So the optimal strategy is to use standard names for staves, where "standard names" are the way they are defined in Fender Studio Pro 8 and NOTION 6, with best wishes on discovering the "standard names", although after a while you learn the names to use and it becomes intuitive and natural.

Regarding arranging, as I explain in Volume 10 of "The Art of Digital Music Production", instead of being focused on specific types of arranging, I have defined what I call the "New Modern Orchestra", where the focus is on tones and textures and includes every instrument and voice on this planet rather than only the "traditional" instruments and voices of older musical genres. The focus is on the way things sound.

By including everything, you are not restricted or limited in what you can do in songs!

Defining "arranging" this way makes no sense for the "traditional" perspective on arranging; but it's consistent with the way things work when you are doing digital music production in Fender Studio Pro 8 and have festivals of virtual instruments and elaborate sampled-sound libraries.

Fender Studio Pro 8 has the LSO sounds and a few other instruments and sounds, as well, so until you need a specific sound that is not available from Fender Studio Pro 8 and NOTION 6, you can use what is provided, which are good sounds that I use from time to time.

You cannot use NOTION sounds in Fender Studio Pro 8; but most or all of them are included with Fender Studio Pro 8.
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Thanks again!. As you suggest I will go with the LSO plus Miro 2. I had a few others, including Garritan and EWQLSO, but it is so much easier to stick to the basics. Miro 2 got broken in Notion 6 and IK Multimedia do not support Miro 1, so it is good to hear that Miro 2 works in Studio One Pro +.

Does the presets work, i.e. Studio One Pro + recognize the articulations markings automatically like Notion 5 used to do with Miro 1?

I guess I will have some fun in playing around and trying things.

 

[MadsHyldahl]

On a lighter note - How are folks getting on with the changes to single click/double click to open plugins in 'Studio Pro' ?

It is taking me a bit to get used to and have had to collapse ALOT of inserts...but I am into it! Think I will stick with it (I understand we can revert back if so desired).

They should at least add a function in the settings so you can choose whether you want to use it or not. It makes no sense to change it, and I can’t think of a single program that behaves like this.

 

[3BoxesEast]

Thank you for your very informative post

I am a new user to what was Studio one when I joined 2 weeks back, totally unaware of them about to change everything.

I have been a Notion 5 user since about 2010 before they became part of Presonus. So, when I baught the Studio One 7+ license getting Notion was a big consideration as it enabled me to read and open projects that was written in Notion. At that time my understanding was that the only way I could get my hands on the Notion software to open those old files was through the subscription, and the assumption was that after after a year I will once again loose that license as the “keep forever” part of the license only applied to the Studio One software, now Fender Studio. Having read through most of the whole thread I think I understood more or less what happens to my Stdio one subscription, i.e. nothing change except I do get all the shiny things that comes with Fender Studio, but nothing about Notion, until page 13 when your post clarified a few things.

If you do not mind, may I ask some more questions please.

Do I understand your post about Notion correctly that all the features in Notion regarding score writing is now integrated with Fender Studio? If so, I should not really need to use Notion for writing new scores and rather do it all in Studio?

Printing would understandingly still be a challenge ?

Can Studio one open legacy Notion files? If not, I assume I should still go through the tedious task of opening all legacy projects in Notion, then transfer them to Studio and save the song files for backup.

This process have proven more than tedious, as it seems like not everything transferred with the file -> transfer to Studio One transferred correctly over, especially any lyrics, chord symbols, text or expression markings.

Although Notion sounds are not as good as Vienna or other pricey software, it surely was good enough for the writing process. Writing score in Studio One however does not have the sounds library of Notion built in and requires a 3rd party Vst instrument library. Is this assumption correct or can I somehow use Notion sounds library in Studio?

Hi - I've just signed up to the forum and have posted a new topic in the 'Notion' pages regarding this. Check in there (when the post has been approved for public display). In essence, Fender Notion is now free.! Desktop or mobile, all platforms.

 

[3BoxesEast]

Who else is missing the circle of fifths from Studio One in the chord editor?
It was so easy to preview chords through different keys in the circle of fifths, I'm deeply missing that now!

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I would miss this.! Is it really the case that there's no more access to Circle of Fifths like we used to here.? Hmm... bad move if so...

 

[Henrik]

On a lighter note - How are folks getting on with the changes to single click/double click to open plugins in 'Studio Pro' ?

I'm extremely happy with single-click to both open and close plugins. I would love to know what made them change this behaviour.

 

[Lukas]

The first thing I ask myself is always if it always has been that way.
but Joe Gilder mensions that it cen be put back to original state somehow.

Joe is not correct here. There's no such option.

 

[THW]

I'm extremely happy with single-click to both open and close plugins. I would love to know what made them change this behaviour.

I like to imagine someone said, ‘What if we just… didn’t make them click twice?’
The room went silent. Someone stopped typing. Another slowly lowered their coffee. Gregor gave a single nod. Meetings ended early that day. A legend was born.

Edit: Just saw Lukas note that we can't switch back to original state. I can imagine some wanting to go back to original state. Not me though...like it.

 

[sintil8]

It's a quality of life improvement 50% reduction of clicks for opening Vst's I'm not complaining.

Regards

 

[Gerran]

... 50% reduction of clicks ...

At the moment it's a 150% increase of clicks for me, but I'll get those numbers down by the minute..

 

[JBMusic]

Can I still keep and use Studio One 7 when I install this new Fender DAW? I might need to migrate. Also, if I ever need to rebuild my SSD for some reason down the road will Studio One 7 still be available to me to download from my account if I wish to? Please forgive me if this was addressed before on this thread but it's become too long to search through and I haven't been following it every day.

Thanks
John B

 

[Gerran]

I have downloads in my Gear on myFender.com for all the versions I've ever had, so I assume it will be for v7 as well. And as always, v8 is a seperate install, you can run them both on you systems, just not 2 versions at the same system at the same time...

 

[Midiboy]

See, I like the single click thing to open my plug-ins as well, HOWEVER, until I get used to this, it's a 5 click.

2 times because I forget, and it opens the stupid mini thing that seriously...nobody uses, but Gregor REALLY loved it when it first came out.
2 more times to close that stupid thing that nobody but Gregor liked...
1 time to open the plug-in, which now Gregor seems to really like and thinks it's super convenient.

Still, love Gregor's (and Joe's) videos though. Just giving him a rough time that he will likely never see anyway.

 

[khilts]

Serious issues with automation in 8 that weren't in 7.2

1) If I freeze an instrument track to audio, the volume automation is not present in the rendered audio. I've tried deleting and recreating the volume automation, no change. Have this issue on all tracks.
2) If I open a 7.2 project with frozen (rendered to audio) instrument tracks that had automation, and try to revert them back to an instrument track in 8, some automation lanes are no longer there.

I recommend (good practice for any significant software update, I guess) that everyone try out 8 using copies of their existing projects so that you don't lose critical info.