Studio Pro 8 - Discussion Thread

[carlcaulkett]

Nice one.

I am not ready to install 8 for a while yet but will flag this post just the same.

VP

I was able to track down the JSON file by using an invaluable tool called `Find any File` - https://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/. It offer brute force searching of files by name and by content. By searching for "Everest CA100A" in file contents, it found the file within a minute!

 

[Vocalpoint]

I was able to track down the JSON file by using an invaluable tool called `Find any File` - https://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/. It offer brute force searching of files by name and by content. By searching for "Everest CA100A" in file contents, it found the file within a minute!

Won't help me for Windows but I have several different options in my toolkit.

As I remain solid on v7.2.3 - don't have a need to edit this file right now - but I will later in 2026 when I finally move to Studio Pro 8.

VP

 

[Resonant Serpent]

On the Fender Pro Studio page, it says that three CTC console styles are part of the 45 plugins included:

CTC-1 Classic
CTC-1 Custom
CTC-1 Tube

But when I try to activate CTC via the Studio Pro>Studio Pro Installation menu inside the program, it tells me that CTC-1 can't be activated.

Does this list of 45 plugins only refer to the subsctiption model, or is it the permanent license? Both?

I purchased a permanent license three weeks ago after using the subscription. So, I know that I have items installed that can only be used with the sub. I'm slowly weeding them out. The "45 included plugins" ad is throwing me off though. The comparison chart for the different versions of the program don't show which specific plugs come with which version.

 

[absu]

I fixed splice crash by installing new visul c+ redist ) but splice completely broken now ....
no sample icons displayed and drag and drop to project not working ...
sample preview working ...

 

[TimC340]

Thank you for your very informative post

I am a new user to what was Studio one when I joined 2 weeks back, totally unaware of them about to change everything.

I have been a Notion 5 user since about 2010 before they became part of Presonus. So, when I baught the Studio One 7+ license getting Notion was a big consideration as it enabled me to read and open projects that was written in Notion. At that time my understanding was that the only way I could get my hands on the Notion software to open those old files was through the subscription, and the assumption was that after after a year I will once again loose that license as the “keep forever” part of the license only applied to the Studio One software, now Fender Studio. Having read through most of the whole thread I think I understood more or less what happens to my Stdio one subscription, i.e. nothing change except I do get all the shiny things that comes with Fender Studio, but nothing about Notion, until page 13 when your post clarified a few things.

If you do not mind, may I ask some more questions please.

Do I understand your post about Notion correctly that all the features in Notion regarding score writing is now integrated with Fender Studio? If so, I should not really need to use Notion for writing new scores and rather do it all in Studio?

Printing would understandingly still be a challenge ?

Can Studio one open legacy Notion files? If not, I assume I should still go through the tedious task of opening all legacy projects in Notion, then transfer them to Studio and save the song files for backup.

This process have proven more than tedious, as it seems like not everything transferred with the file -> transfer to Studio One transferred correctly over, especially any lyrics, chord symbols, text or expression markings.

Although Notion sounds are not as good as Vienna or other pricey software, it surely was good enough for the writing process. Writing score in Studio One however does not have the sounds library of Notion built in and requires a 3rd party Vst instrument library. Is this assumption correct or can I somehow use Notion sounds library in Studio?

Couple of points, but I'm sure SurfWhammy will be along to give a more comprehensive answer.

Notion is not included in Studio One/Studio Pro in its entirety. The DAW has a subset of Notion's features in its notation skill, but files can be exchanged in either direction between Notion and S1/FSP.

Fender Studio is not the same as Fender Studio Pro. However, I believe that Studio (essentially the mobile app) can talk to Notion Mobile. What level of detail it can represent or write, I have no idea.

Edit: it would appear that the erstwhile Notion 6 (now Fender Notion) is now included with Fender Studio Pro (rather than the Plus subscription), though with only a small set of virtual instruments.

 

[THW]

On a lighter note - How are folks getting on with the changes to single click/double click to open plugins in 'Studio Pro' ?

It is taking me a bit to get used to and have had to collapse ALOT of inserts...but I am into it! Think I will stick with it (I understand we can revert back if so desired).

 

[FaRu]

On a lighter note - How are folks getting on with the changes to single click/double click to open plugins in 'Studio Pro' ?

It is taking me a bit to get used to and have had to collapse ALOT of inserts...but I am into it! Think I will stick with it (I understand we can revert back if so desired).

It feels like some kind of dementia to me. The first thing I ask myself is always if it always has been that way.
but Joe Gilder mensions that it cen be put back to original state somehow.

 

[THW]

It feels like some kind of dementia to me. The first thing I ask myself is always if it always has been that way.
but Joe Gilder mensions that it cen be put back to original state somehow.

That's a good way to put it! Feeling the same way. I just came across Joe's video and heard that -- which prompted my post.

 

[TonalDynamics]

I said yes, there needed to be an "All Inputs" option for MIDI Inputs ("Instrument Inputs" in Studio One terms). Back then, you could only select exactly one single input device. He was like "Yeah, that makes sense"… and the next (slightly hungover) morning I had a new beta version in my inbox with the "All Inputs" option added. Suddenly I could play using all my connected synths. Not a super exciting story, but those were the early days - and really good memories.

Luke,

As someone who used v1, I've heard enough over the years to know that it is you who has been the biggest friend to composers and MIDI power-users this DAW has ever had. Whatever cosmic threads aligned in such a novel a way as to allow you to bend the ear of the developers so effectively, I am very grateful for it.

Yes, I remember those early S1 days... and all throughout what to me was the height of the development cadence in versions 4 thru 6.
Rick Naqvi was still doing the full version introductions and I thought he did a great job as an enthusiastic presenter of all the new features...
Full/.5 releases were like walking into a candy store or waking up on Christmas morning.

As an American I can say it was clearly German systems-engineering at its best, and I got to experience that from inside the community who shared my excitement and passion about being able to do stuff with my DAW that nobody else could do.

Sentimentally,
JB

 

[Surf.Whammy]

My signature might never change either.

Kudos for reminding me to update my signature!

 

[MisterE]

It is. At the time of the release of version 1.0, it already had that name. When I was beta-testing 1.0, it was already "Studio One".

Those were really nice, almost family-like times. Matthias (the developer and father of Studio One - still head of development today) would hang out with us in the evenings, we'd have a few drinks and celebrate. At some point he asked me if anything was bothering me in Studio One, and I said yes, there needed to be an "All Inputs" option for MIDI Inputs ("Instrument Inputs" in Studio One terms). Back then, you could only select exactly one single input device. He was like "Yeah, that makes sense"… and the next (slightly hungover) morning I had a new beta version in my inbox with the "All Inputs" option added. Suddenly I could play using all my connected synths. Not a super exciting story, but those were the early days - and really good memories.

Presonus exec Chad Kelly would also freely share knowledge on how to mod gear like MP20s back in the day.

Must be tough on you keeping the MIDI 2 plans secret!

 

[Surf.Whammy]

Thank you for your very informative post

Do I understand your post about Notion correctly that all the features in Notion regarding score writing is now integrated with Fender Studio? If so, I should not really need to use Notion for writing new scores and rather do it all in Studio?

Glad you enjoyed my new bio and history!

I needed a bio for my Kindle eBooks, so part of the reason for the post was to start working on a bio and to do something useful.

For practical purposes, NOTION is embedded in Fender Studio Pro 8 in what now is "Edit". There are a few differences, and some of the information also is in the Fender Studio Pro 8 console, like tempo and key signature, although these can be changed in "Edit", where for example if you decide to compose an Interlude in 5/4 time, you can change from 4/4 time (default) to 5/4 time for a while and then change back, which also is the case for the other of the most useful time signatures, 3/4 and perhaps something for Polka and Ska genre songs.

Like you, I have been using NOTION and now the music notation in Fender Studio Pro 8 since 2010 (for NOTION) which I started based on something one of the folks at Guitar Center told me when I was looking for a synthesizer to make "outer space sounds" for my old-time, science-fiction radio plays. I bought an Alesis ION Analog Modeling Synthesizer and soon thereafter discovered all the white keys sounded good, which I now know is because I was doing the music with my 1999 Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster in what I suppose is C Major or A minor, all at a time when I did not know the "all white keys on grand piano map to the Seven Modes", which I now remember using the mnemonic "I Don't Play Lydian Mode A Lot" {Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, Locrian}.

[NOTE: I am revisiting the early chapters of "Extreme Gravity" and now am using 11ElevenLabs AI voices for some of the characters and have been adding foley sounds, as well.]

I understand modes in a sense, but the FUN aspect is that all the white keys on a grand piano or synthesizer sound good, regardless of the mode you might be using if you took the years of study required to understand all that stuff.

It's also a way to "impress" folks who studied music theory in college, since you can say things like "The Intro is Phrygian, but then I segue to Dorian and have a Bridge in Mixolydian", which likely makes so little sense but sounds good that even folks who understand everything only can remark "WOW".

It's like Elvis Presley doing uvular trills on the "H" of "Hound Dog" when he was 21 years-old. Who knows about uvular trills when they are 21 years-old? My best guess is that one of the Jordanaires told Elvis about uvular trills and how it makes the "H" clearer for radio listeners.

I have other ways to keep everything simple for music notation; and the two most significant strategies are (a) using the rule that there are 12 notes and 10 octaves and (b) using the rule that everything is in the key of C Major or A minor, which maps to needing to add sharps when notes sound better when sharped, with this being done per measure and mapping literally to "WYSIWYH" (What You See Is What You Hear), which is the only way music notation is literal absolutely with no exceptions. If the note is "C#" then it's sharped because you sharped it and wanted to see it sharp, hence not needing to remember that what looks like "C" actually is "C#", which probably was concocted centuries ago as way to save ink and paper and later evolved into "enharmonics" and the strategy of being compelled obsessively to have many names for the same thing, including being able to suggest that doing things in different keys and with different names actually makes the music different, which according to some music theorists is a fact, but mostly due to the rules for equal temperament and the variations, which do matter, but so what.

Another thing which is important when using music notation to play VSTi virtual instruments is to avoid specifying articulations, dynamics, styles, and all the stuff which primarily is what I consider to be "annoying visual clutter" when it's not going to be sheet music to provide clues to real musicians and singers.

I could write a book about this--and last year I did--but the high-level information is that there are two general types of sampled-sound libraries, (a) what I call "diatonic" where every other note is sampled and (b) chromatic where every note is sampled. The problem is that for a diatonically sampled-sound library the intermediate (non-sampled) notes are computed in real-time on the fly using logarithmic interpolation, where for example if "C4" is sampled but not "C#4", then the "C#4" audio is created by the computer and in this example starts with the sampled "C4" but then increases its frequency or pitch to generate "C#4", which works nicely when you use dry samples but fails when the samples have motion articulations like "tremolo" and "vibrato", because as the frequency or pitch of the note is computed and increased, this also increases the tremolo rate and the vibrato rate. The solution is to use dry samples and then to add a tremolo or vibrato VST effect plug-in so all the notes have the same tremolo or vibrato. This might appear to be subtle, but "by ear" folks can detect and hear it, perhaps with a bit of training on listening and using studio-quality headphones like SONY MDR-7506 headphones (a personal favorite),

What about dynamics?

There are two rules I use, (a) if you cannot hear it, then it's noise so it doesn't need to be there and (b) you can control dynamics with compressor-limiter VST effect plug-ins, which makes it an audio-engineering activity that does not require cluttering the music notation or mess with "velocity" levels in the MIDI, if you prefer MIDI sequencing to music notation, which when using Reason 13 (Reason Studios) is the rule, because Reason 13 does not do music notation, although you can take recorded audio in Fender Studio Pro 8 and use Melodyne (Ceremony) to quantize it and then export as MIDI, which you then can import to Reason 13, where this works for any audio and for example is nice for singing a new melody and then getting transformed to MIDI or music notation, with this requiring some intermediate steps, but so what. The result is that you begin by playing or singing a melody but then get it translated to MIDI or music notation.

For articulations and styles, I select sampled-sound libraries where the formally trained and proficient musician or singer actually played or sang the notes in the specific articulation or style, where the strategy is to let the musician or singer do the articulating and styling since (a) they are skilled in doing it and (b) you already paid them to do it when you bought the sampled-sound library.

I know most of that stuff and at times actually understand it from the perspectives of acoustic physics and music theory; but then I tend to forget, other than "legato" sounds nicely slurred or more expressive. I could look-up the definition of "legato" and for a few minutes actually understand it, but here in the sound isolation studio that begins wandering into messing with computers rather than focusing on making music.

I use tuples, slurs, ties, and a few other things, including glissandi when the VSTi virtual instrument supports it and it sounds good, which for some virtual instruments can be good but for electric guitar usually is not the same as doing it yourself on a real guitar, where the best example is the glssandi in "Pipeline" (The Chantays), which is easy to do on a real electric guitar but for practical purposes is impossible to do with music notation and sampled-sound libraries, as is whammying, at least in a practical way that does not require using a synthesizer "mod wheel" or a Stratocaster two-point tremolo.

[NOTE: This was a popular song when I was in junior high school and after a lot of work, my music group learned how to play "Pipeline"; and we thought we were the best ever, even though it probably was a simplified version rather than note-for-note and exact sounds. We were nerds and had a lot of FUN doing the glissandi over and over. Sometimes, we would bang on the Sears Silvertone piggy-back amplifies reverb unit, because we thought it sounded good. ]

"Feel Me" has real electric guitar doing glissandi and a bit of whammying with the Fender Two-Point Tremolo ("whammy bar") on the "Fabulous Fifty Million Dollar Trinaural Stratocaster®" that I custom-modded.

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[Surf.Whammy]

Printing would understandingly still be a challenge ?

Can Studio one open legacy Notion files? If not, I assume I should still go through the tedious task of opening all legacy projects in Notion, then transfer them to Studio and save the song files for backup.

Although Notion sounds are not as good as Vienna or other pricey software, it surely was good enough for the writing process. Writing score in Studio One however does not have the sounds library of Notion built in and requires a 3rd party Vst instrument library. Is this assumption correct or can I somehow use Notion sounds library in Studio?

You can print sheet music with Fender Studio Pro 8 and also can transfer it to NOTION when you have both applications. NOTION can be used for sheet music; but it's not something I do. Instead, I use a simplified type of music notation specifically to play VSTi virtual instruments, as well as the native virtual instruments that are included with Fender Studio Pro 8 and Reason 13 (Reason Studios).

London Symphony Orchestra (LSO) is included in Fender Studio Pro 8, so it's there if you want to use it. I also have Miroslav Philharmonik 2 (IK Multimedia), all the Waves, EW ComposerCloud+, and collections and subscriptions; so there are several different ways to work with virtual instruments in Fender Studio Pro 8.

Fender Studio Pro 8 does not open NOTION songs directly, so if you want to get a NOTION song into Fender Studio Pro 8, you need to have NOTION 6 and then to do a "Send" action to get the music notation into Fender Studio Pro 8, which is relatively easy to do, although with a few exceptions where the "secret" is that both applications respond to certain names of specific instruments to do desired mappings.

For example if you have music notation on a staff named "Liberace and Chico Marx Stuff", then it will not transfer automagically to a staff called "Piano" or whatever. So the optimal strategy is to use standard names for staves, where "standard names" are the way they are defined in Fender Studio Pro 8 and NOTION 6, with best wishes on discovering the "standard names", although after a while you learn the names to use and it becomes intuitive and natural.

Another equally absurd and silly example is a staff named "The thing Paul McCartney mostly plays". That's not going to transfer automagically to a bass staff, so you want to name it "Bass".

On the other hand, since I do everything with soprano treble staves which are configured to transpose when necessary, nothing transfers to the correct clef, which works for me. if it's a bass guitar, then I configure the staff to play notes two-octaves lower than notated; and for electric guitar, it's one octave lower than notated. This way everything is "soprano", which is the only clef that is intuitive for me and I can sight-sing.

Regarding arranging, as I explain in Volume 10 of "The Art of Digital Music Production", instead of being focused on specific types of arranging, I have defined what I call the "New Modern Orchestra", where the focus is on tones and textures and includes every instrument and voice on this planet rather than only the "traditional" instruments and voices of older musical genres. The focus is on the way things sound.

By including everything, you are not restricted or limited in what you can do in songs!

Defining "arranging" this way makes no sense for the "traditional" perspective on arranging; but it's consistent with the way things work when you are doing digital music production in Fender Studio Pro 8 and have festivals of virtual instruments and elaborate sampled-sound libraries.

Fender Studio Pro 8 has the LSO sounds and a few other instruments and sounds, as well, so until you need a specific sound that is not available from Fender Studio Pro 8 and NOTION 6, you can use what is provided, which are good sounds that I use from time to time.

You cannot use NOTION sounds in Fender Studio Pro 8; but most or all of them are included with Fender Studio Pro 8.

I prefer Miroslav Philharmonic 2 (IK Multimedia) for orchestral stuff; but EW ComposerCloud+ and several other subscriptions have lots of tones and textures, with UVI SonicPass having a stellar collection of World Instruments, as well as as foley sounds, music machines, and lots of other useful stuff.

Regarding whether to wander into things like Vienna Symphonic Library (VSL) which is very precise but expensive, it depends on what you are doing. A few years ago, I studied the VSL products catalog and computed that getting everything would cost as much as $20,000 (USD).

The other vastly important consideration is that the songs you create probably are doing to be played through vehicle audio stems, home stereos, iPhones, radio, television, YouTube, and so forth, which although nobody tells you the facts maps to the music and singing being played through amplifiers, sound systems, computers, and smartphones. Specifically, while it might be "logical" to audiophiles and purists, your music and singing is being played by amplifiers, loudspeakers, and headphones which by design tend to push the audible stuff and suppress the noise, which unless you put a compressor-limiter on "traditional" orchestral stuff pretty much destroys dynamics and a lot of other stuff.

Does it matter when your focus is on what one might call "popular music" played on ubiquitous consumer and concert sound reinforcement devices?

Probably not; and at the risk of being perhaps too bold, I am not convinced most folks actually can discern the differences.

When you have a silly song about about Angela Gossow's underpants, is anyone really going to be annoyed because one of the instruments doe not have perfect articulations?

These YouTube music videos are (a) the first song I dd with NOTION 3, LSO, and a few SampleTank and Miroslav Philharmonik (IK Multimedia) instruments and (b) my song about Angela Gossow's underpants, which was done on New Year's Day after I discovered while listening to Daniel Erlandsson's stellar drumming (a personal favorite) that the lyrics to "Ravenous" (Arch Enemy) include the phrases "carnivorous Jesus" and "I need your blood".

One of the rules here in the sound isolation studio is that including some type of phrases in songs maps to somebody getting a spanking.

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[TonalDynamics]

Fast forward to this week; and I am a bit puzzled by some of the reactions to Fender Studio Pro 8, many of which make absolutely no sense, especially when they suggest Fender Studio Pro 8 somehow is vastly different from PreSonus Studio One 7.2.3, which it isn't.

Mmm, well some might be saying that... I think mostly they are saying what I'm saying in this post, which is that the features/improvements are simply underwhelming, not that it doesn't remotely resemble Studio One anymore.

Glad you enjoyed my new bio and history!

I needed a bio for my Kindle eBooks, so part of the reason for the post was to start working on a bio and to do something useful.

Forgive me but, while your tenure at NASA and writing programs for the shuttle missions is SUPER interesting...
Perhaps the 'Fender Pro Studio 8' release discussion isn't the most ideal thread for these monologues?

 

[Surf.Whammy]

Couple of points, but I'm sure SurfWhammy will be along to give a more comprehensive answer.

Notion is not included in Studio One/Studio Pro in its entirety. The DAW has a subset of Notion's features in its notation skill, but files can be exchanged in either direction between Notion and S1/FSP.

Fender Studio is not the same as Fender Studio Pro. However, I believe that Studio (essentially the mobile app) can talk to Notion Mobile. What level of detail it can represent or write, I have no idea.

Thanks for the reference!

As you can see in the attached side-by-side comparison, Fender Studio Pro 8 and PreSonus Studio One 7.2.3 are remarkably similar, except that Fender Studio Pro 8 has nicely updated and new functions, as well as a crisper and more intuitive Graphic User Interface (GUI).

You can transfer from Fender Studio Pro 8 to NOTION 6, and vice-versa. I do not use Fender Studio and NOTION Mobile, so have no observations on it.

I did a quick experiment to verify that Fender Studio Pro 8 sends the music notation to NOTION 6; and it works nicely.

As I explained in a bit of detail in an earlier post to this topic, the subset of music notation in Fender Studio Pro 8 is focused but does everything necessary to play virtual instruments, which in various software versions and flavors I have been doing since 2010.

In fact, I prefer the way Fender Studio Pro 8 does music notation, since (a) it does everything I need and want to do and (b) the GUI is optimized for ease of use and efficiency of keyboard and mouse motions.

Lots of FUN!

 

[CASK]

I feel like the issue for me is the branding, not the software itself. Time will tell. Sorry for the self-spam, but I wrote a blog post on how I see the rebrand and overall change of environment that can be read here.

 

[Sepheritoh]

Couple of points, but I'm sure SurfWhammy will be along to give a more comprehensive answer.

Notion is not included in Studio One/Studio Pro in its entirety. The DAW has a subset of Notion's features in its notation skill, but files can be exchanged in either direction between Notion and S1/FSP.

Fender Studio is not the same as Fender Studio Pro. However, I believe that Studio (essentially the mobile app) can talk to Notion Mobile. What level of detail it can represent or write, I have no idea.

Thanks for reminding me if anything fender manage to add to the naming confusion. Whenever I talk about Studio, I am refering to whatever the DAW will be called which I had with the old Presonus, Studio One Pro +. Yeah, that is a lot to repeat each time so I added confusion by being too lazy to copy and paste the whole name!

 

[Sepheritoh]

Glad you enjoyed my new bio and history!

I needed a bio for my Kindle eBooks, so part of the reason for the post was to start working on a bio and to do something useful.

For practical purposes, NOTION is embedded in Fender Studio Pro 8 in what now is "Edit". There are a few differences, and some of the information also is in the Fender Studio Pro 8 console, like tempo and key signature, although these can be changed in "Edit", where for example if you decide to compose an Interlude in 5/4 time, you can change from 4/4 time (default) to 5/4 time for a while and then change back, which also is the case for the other of the most useful time signatures, 3/4 and perhaps something for Polka and Ska genre songs.

Like you, I have been using NOTION and now the music notation in Fender Studio Pro 8 since 2010 (for NOTION) which I started based on something one of the folks at Guitar Center told me when I was looking for a synthesizer to make "outer space sounds" for my old-time, science-fiction radio plays. I bought an Alesis ION Analog Modeling Synthesizer and soon thereafter discovered all the white keys sounded good, which I now know is because I was doing the music with my 1999 Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster in what I suppose is C Major or A minor, all at a time when I did not know the "all white keys on grand piano map to the Seven Modes", which I now remember using the mnemonic "I Don't Play Lydian Mode A Lot" {Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, Locrian}.

..

Thanks! I find your bio interesting but have to admit I am lost when it comes to the very technical music theory. I used Notion to compose music for film. I like to say that because it makes me sound like I know something, but the films were really indi short films and mostly orchestrations of mainly guitar music.

 

[FMN-Music]

How are folks getting on with the changes to single click/double click to open plugins in 'Studio Pro' ?

This one really starting to get to me.
I thought I could easily adapt, but Double Clicking is so deep in my muscle memory, that I constantly have to click about 6 times now just to open a plugin...
First two clicks open the Micro Edit crap, kneejerk reaction to this is to click once again to close it. That surprisingly opens the plugin (oftentimes covering where i need to click to close the Micro Edit crap). I then remember that Double clicking closes the Micro Edit crap and finally do that... minimum 6 clicks.
Instantly in a bad mood...

This is such a missed opportunity to strengthen S1's workflow... hard to believe. So much possibilities to do better..
For example :
- One Click and Double Click opens/closes plugin
- Shift Click opens plugin in addition to already open plugin windows and pins them
- Alt Click open/closes Micro Edit crap
- Ctrl Right Click removes plugin.
- Ctrl&Shift Click (and Drag) turns plugins on/off
- Click&Drag moves plugin
- Alt Click&Drag copies plugin
- Right click opens menu
etc

but I guess we will have to Ctrl right double click to select an event in Servco Pacific Studio Ultra 9, because left click already puts a Fender logo as track image.

sorry for the rant.

 

[Sepheritoh]

You can print sheet music with Fender Studio Pro 8 and also can transfer it to NOTION when you have both applications. NOTION can be used for sheet music; but it's not something I do. Instead, I use a simplified type of music notation specifically to play VSTi virtual instruments, as well as the native virtual instruments that are included with Fender Studio Pro 8 and Reason 13 (Reason Studios).

London Symphony Orchestra (LSO) is included in Fender Studio Pro 8, so it's there if you want to use it. I also have Miroslav Philharmonik 2 (IK Multimedia), all the Waves, EW ComposerCloud+, and collections and subscriptions; so there are several different ways to work with virtual instruments in Fender Studio Pro 8.

Fender Studio Pro 8 does not open NOTION songs directly, so if you want to get a NOTION song into Fender Studio Pro 8, you need to have NOTION 6 and then to do a "Send" action to get the music notation into Fender Studio Pro 8, which is relatively easy to do, although with a few exceptions--sending and receiving--where the key is that both applications key on the certain names of specific instruments to do desired mappings. For example if you have music notation on a staff named "Liberace and Chico Marx Stuff", then it will not transfer to a staff called "Piano" or whatever. So the optimal strategy is to use standard names for staves, where "standard names" are the way they are defined in Fender Studio Pro 8 and NOTION 6, with best wishes on discovering the "standard names", although after a while you learn the names to use and it becomes intuitive and natural.

Regarding arranging, as I explain in Volume 10 of "The Art of Digital Music Production", instead of being focused on specific types of arranging, I have defined what I call the "New Modern Orchestra", where the focus is on tones and textures and includes every instrument and voice on this planet rather than only the "traditional" instruments and voices of older musical genres. The focus is on the way things sound.

By including everything, you are not restricted or limited in what you can do in songs!

Defining "arranging" this way makes no sense for the "traditional" perspective on arranging; but it's consistent with the way things work when you are doing digital music production in Fender Studio Pro 8 and have festivals of virtual instruments and elaborate sampled-sound libraries.

Fender Studio Pro 8 has the LSO sounds and a few other instruments and sounds, as well, so until you need a specific sound that is not available from Fender Studio Pro 8 and NOTION 6, you can use what is provided, which are good sounds that I use from time to time.

You cannot use NOTION sounds in Fender Studio Pro 8; but most or all of them are included with Fender Studio Pro 8.
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Thanks again!. As you suggest I will go with the LSO plus Miro 2. I had a few others, including Garritan and EWQLSO, but it is so much easier to stick to the basics. Miro 2 got broken in Notion 6 and IK Multimedia do not support Miro 1, so it is good to hear that Miro 2 works in Studio One Pro +.

Does the presets work, i.e. Studio One Pro + recognize the articulations markings automatically like Notion 5 used to do with Miro 1?

I guess I will have some fun in playing around and trying things.