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RAM usage and Studio One

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I build over a hundred amd 3,5,7,9 gen machines for proaudio use , mostly for S1 and Cubase.....
all works for years like charm .....

Well - this thread is not about my experiences with AMD or what I think of them - it's about the OPs issues.

That said - if you have actually built over "a hundred" machines - that works out to a brand new DAW about every 6 weeks for the last ten years - you sound like you have the experience the OP is seeking.

Might be time you stepped right up to help him?

VP
 
I agree W10 is easier, but it will run out of support this fall.
If the board has been problematic from the start, it is most likely that it is the culprit. Either terrible drivers or bad resource management on the board itself.
@OP do you have any software from the motherboard installed, that comes with the offered downloads? Or did you let Windows Update install all the drivers and software? If so, I would recommend to download the latest drivers from the vendor site and ONLY install the drivers, after uninstalling any software tools that "belongs" to the motherboard. You never need the software (unless you use Intel software RAID or similar) and my experience with motherboard drivers from Windows Update is abysmal. I have no idea why these sometimes are very different from what is on the vendor site.
 
As a brand new owner of an AMD-based DAW that is sitting here in front of me, still in its box, I admit to being horrified to read this thread.

I avoided AMD in the past because of supposed issues with UAD hardware but was convinced by a DAW builder that AMD would be slightly better than Intel.

I was also told that I needed to go with Windows 11 as Windows 10 no longer supports core parking.
 
As a brand new owner of an AMD-based DAW that is sitting here in front of me, still in its box, I admit to being horrified to read this thread.

I avoided AMD in the past because of supposed issues with UAD hardware but was convinced by a DAW builder that AMD would be slightly better than Intel.

I was also told that I needed to go with Windows 11 as Windows 10 no longer supports core parking.
Whoever was telling you this - especially the part about core parking - might not quite understand what this actually does.

A DAW should never be subjected to any core parking so going with 11 is not as advantageous as Windows 10

Windows 10 does not have the contentious Thread Director shipped with Windows 11. This was the primary reason why I went back to Win 10 when building my new DAW exactly a year ago this week.

I do understand the concerns about Win 10 support ending but that date can easily be extended for 30.00 for another year.

As mentioned - I have no knowledge about AMD but I am very well versed on core parking and this is something you want to stay far away from if possible.

VP
 
Whoever was telling you this - especially the part about core parking - might not quite understand what this actually does.

A DAW should never be subjected to any core parking so going with 11 is not as advantageous as Windows 10

Windows 10 does not have the contentious Thread Director shipped with Windows 11. This was the primary reason why I went back to Win 10 when building my new DAW exactly a year ago this week.

I do understand the concerns about Win 10 support ending but that date can easily be extended for 30.00 for another year.

As mentioned - I have no knowledge about AMD but I am very well versed on core parking and this is something you want to stay far away from if possible.

VP

Thanks. I think I got it backwards, lol. Here's what his website says:

Many have been waiting for that compelling reason to move to Win11. With recent builds of Win10, Microsoft has broken the ability to disable CPU core parking. If you're running a current generation CPU, this is that compelling reason. For maximum performance (especially at low latency), we need CPU core parking fully disabled. Win11 allows us to fully disable CPU core parking.

All major audio software/hardware is now working well with Windows 11.

"Pro" version has Group Policy Editor (easy to shut down OneDrive, Cortana, etc)... and can fully disable all automatic updates.

This is why we no longer offer Win10 for current generation hardware.
 
With recent builds of Win10, Microsoft has broken the ability to disable CPU core parking. If you're running a current generation CPU, this is that compelling reason.

Well - Windows 10 never featured any ability to turn off Core Parking anyway and quite frankly - neither does Windows 11 (easily via the UI anyway)

That said - it is super easy to manage cores in either OS with a tool like ParkControl from Bitsum.

Takes about two seconds to get everything under control. I can vouch for this tool and it's awesome ability to get the most out of your CPU but the takeaway is that Windows 11 is not suddenly "preferred" simply because of core management. Win 11 is pretty much been confirmed by the masses is being slower than Win 10 for almost everything.

For DAWs - we do not want any extra overhead if we can help it - but I do understand that Win 10 is "old" and Win 11 is current.

For me - I want the least amount of hassle factor as possible - hence my continued use of Windows 10.

VP
 
I get what you're saying. I've been using Win10 with my (main) DAW for years and really never wanted to upgrade. I have a laptop with Win11 that I use when traveling and it's done ok, so based on that and this (highly recommended) DAW maker's guidance I went with Win11.

I'm just getting it up and running now so too early to tell but I hope I didn't waste $4k!
 
I do understand the concerns about Win 10 support ending but that date can easily be extended for 30.00 for another year.
Oh, that is nice, as I have a legacy system I really do not want to change. But I assume it requires an MS account to pay and update, I need to look into this. I only have a local account and want to keep it that way.

Microsoft had such a great opportunity to do well with W10, but they really made life hard for realtime & mission critical peeps. But what do we expect from a company for whom the most popular OS (as in numbers, not emotions) is just an afterthought in their global revenue.
 
Microsoft had such a great opportunity to do well with W10, but they really made life hard for realtime & mission critical peeps.

The Windows 10 ESU program will be available in Fall 2025. $30.00 bucks is very reasonable for another year.

And - MS DID do well with Windows 10. It is still the most used operating system on the planet as I write this. Not bad for something that came out 10 years ago.

As a side note - this weekend I am testing a trip into a new Windows 11 24H2 "personal" workstation to replace my existing Win 10 PC - and even with nothing but the OS on it right now - it is already giving me hassles....

VP
 
...... I do understand the concerns about Win 10 support ending but that date can easily be extended for 30.00 for another year.
Thanks for mentioning. I will definately spring for the $30 extension.
 
The Windows 10 ESU program will be available in Fall 2025. $30.00 bucks is very reasonable for another year.

And - MS DID do well with Windows 10. It is still the most used operating system on the planet as I write this. Not bad for something that came out 10 years ago.

As a side note - this weekend I am testing a trip into a new Windows 11 24H2 "personal" workstation to replace my existing Win 10 PC - and even with nothing but the OS on it right now - it is already giving me hassles....

VP
Well, v1511 was the highlight. From there it went downhill with performance.
 
Well, v1511 was the highlight. From there it went downhill with performance.
My 22h2 build on the DAW right now - would run circles around 1511 or any older version. It's all about power and core management.

And having Win 10 installed on a Gen4/Gen5 NVme helps

VP
 
No W10 version since 1511 ever managed to overdub the same low latency session dropout free like 1511 did, repeatedly. Same hardware & software, only the Windows version changed (and optimized). I gave up in 2021. I doubt it improved since then.
 
No W10 version since 1511 ever managed to overdub the same low latency session dropout free like 1511 did, repeatedly. Same hardware & software, only the Windows version changed (and optimized). I gave up in 2021. I doubt it improved since then.
Not sure what you were using - have not had any issues with dropouts, pops, click or anything since Win 10 came out in 2015.

Have used every possible version and pounded the crap out of each.

VP
 
Do you know if the 45gb of RAM used by Standby with only 6gb considered "free" is a problem or is that pretty common?

A good operating system will not leave free RAM, it will find some use for it. This measure cannot be used for diagnosing.

It tells you that shortage of RAM amount is not your problem, still. I also recommend going back to JEDEC speeds on your RAM while you computer acts up. You can measure and optimize later.

In your position I would make a fresh install of Win10 on a spare disk.
 
I have run a computer service and support business for more than 20 years. Have built many systems over the years. CAD workstaions, gaming systems, lots of servers for various industries, video editing workstations etc. I'm also a musician. And have had PC based home studios for just as long. Built all of my DAW systems.

Stayed with Intel until my last build (note: my previous DAW system was also a 8700K which I used for about 7 years) This time I decided to go with a AMD Ryzen 7700 on a AS-Rock B650 motherboard. It's been around 8 months since I upgraded the system. I run Studio One Pro V7 and Cubase Pro. My system has been rock solid. Overall performance is also excellent.

A few things I might suggest to the OP (I apologize if these have already been suggested. Haven't had a chance to read the entire thread)
1. Make sure your audio interface has the latest firmware and Windows drivers. 2. Download and install the latest NVidia driver from the NVidia website. Note: Use the "Studio" driver if it's offered. If not, deselect "NVidia Experience". Just install the driver. 3. Go into the BIOS of your MB. Disable the on- board graphics. If your board doesn't offer that function, in Windows Device Manager, open 'Display adapters' Right click the on board graphics and disable it. 4. Also in the BIOS: Set your memory speed down a few notches. IE: If your memory chips are rated at 5200mhz try setting it to 4800mhz.

Would recommend doing the above one at a time & see if things improve.

Good luck
 
After 2 straight days of installing software/sample libraries/plugins etc, I have Studio One up and running on my new AMD 9950x. Also have the latest/greatest nVME drives which are super fast.

I'm very happy so far. The only glitch I've experienced is I can't seem to connect any of my mice via Blutooth.
 
After 2 straight days of installing software/sample libraries/plugins etc, I have Studio One up and running on my new AMD 9950x. Also have the latest/greatest nVME drives which are super fast.

I'm very happy so far. The only glitch I've experienced is I can't seem to connect any of my mice via Blutooth.
AMD motherboards with Bluetooth issues is not that uncommon.

If you haven't already done so, Google your motherboard by make and model. Go to the MB website. Find the MB drivers. Should be under 'Support' 'Downloads' 'Drivers' or similar links.
Look for the latest Bluetooth driver. Download it and install. Be sure to restart your system after (may prompt you to do that anyway) Note: it's also a good idea to have the latest BIOS for your MB installed.

If you are still experiencing issues, purchase a USB Bluetooth adapter from Amazon. You can get a decent one for under $ 20.00. Would recommend TP-Link or Asus.

If you use a USB replacement, it would be a good idea to disable the on board Bluetooth in your MB BIOS before installing.

Hope that helps
 
AMD motherboards with Bluetooth issues is not that uncommon.

If you haven't already done so, Google your motherboard by make and model. Go to the MB website. Find the MB drivers. Should be under 'Support' 'Downloads' 'Drivers' or similar links.
Look for the latest Bluetooth driver. Download it and install. Be sure to restart your system after (may prompt you to do that anyway) Note: it's also a good idea to have the latest BIOS for your MB installed.

If you are still experiencing issues, purchase a USB Bluetooth adapter from Amazon. You can get a decent one for under $ 20.00. Would recommend TP-Link or Asus.

If you use a USB replacement, it would be a good idea to disable the on board Bluetooth in your MB BIOS before installing.

Hope that helps
Thanks, I appreciate it.

Unfortunately the PC no longer boots, so I'm dead in the water.

I have to wait until Monday to get support. :(
 
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