PC build help

[Phil james]

Hi
Spent last few days, trying to work out what's best CPU to use with S1 7, just more confused now.... I mainly use V instruments.,large track counts... Intel core ultra, or AMD, I'm none the wiser,.. any suggestions appreciated
Cheers

 

[MisterE]

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Gearspace is where the world class buillders hang. That's where you go to research for the serious rig you're talking about.

This Presonus forum is more for people rocking medium to upper middle class builds. Look at people's signatures (I'll add mine one of these days, it's AMD 5600X based and will serve me as primarily a writer forever), especially the mods', and you'll see what I mean. You won't find the type of machine you're pondering.

btw if you really want to obsess about large track counts, Reaper handles multiple cores better than S1. For pure performance, that is. For looks and other stuff just getting down the road nice and easy stay with S1.

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

I will go for AMD. I personally planning to upgrade from a 5950X to a 9950X or X3D by the end of the year.
Ari told me that the X3D is a better one to have and Jeff has got a 9950X which he`s very happy to have it seems.
For me it looks like to go for the X3D is ideal if the price is`nt that much of a difference.

 

[dawzone]

If you're using Studio One 7 in complex projects with multitracks and lots of virtual instruments, go for high single-core performance with good multi-core support.

• Intel Core i9-13900K - Great all-around, strong real-time performance
• AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D - Excellent for VST-heavy sessions due to massive cache
• At least 32 up to 64GB RAM
• Fast NVMe SSD, at least 1TB
• Disable CPU throttling in BIOS for best performance

Studio One benefits from both speed and stability, so aim for 8+ performance cores.
Please let me know your budget if you would like a more tailored recommendation.

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

speed and stability, so aim for 8+ performance cores.
Please let me know your budget if you would like a more tailored recommendation.

What exactly benefits Studio One from Ryzen`s X3D Cache?

 

[dawzone]

What exactly benefits Studio One from Ryzen`s X3D Cache?

Compared to Intel (like the i7-14900K or even the i9-14900K) or a non-X3D Ryzen, the Ryzen X3D (such as the new 9800X3D) delivers better performance in plugin-heavy, low-latency audio sessions, largely due to its larger L3 cache. This additional cache allows the CPU to access plugin data more efficiently, reducing glitches or dropouts when running numerous VSTs, complex plugin chains, or CPU-intensive plugins like Ozone, Pro-Q 4, Pro-R 2, or Universal Audio effects...in short: L3 cache size is the reason

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

Compared to Intel (like the i7-14900K or even the i9-14900K) or a non-X3D Ryzen, the Ryzen X3D (such as the new 9800X3D) delivers better performance in plugin-heavy, low-latency audio sessions, largely due to its larger L3 cache. This additional cache allows the CPU to access plugin data more efficiently, reducing glitches or dropouts when running numerous VSTs, complex plugin chains, or CPU-intensive plugins like Ozone, Pro-Q 4, Pro-R 2, or Universal Audio effects...in short: L3 cache size is the reason

Wow that sounds amazing. I am very happy with AMD having this great kind of comeback with their Zen even with X3D in Audio.
Does it even have an impact on Plug-In Latency?

 

[MisterE]

Wow that sounds amazing. I am very happy with AMD having this great kind of comeback with their Zen even with X3D in Audio.
Does it even have an impact on Plug-In Latency?

Exactly what comeback are you talking about? You bought your AMD 5950X three years ago because it was a better proposition than Intel then. And you are confusing one guy's opinion with the last word on CPUs. I have personal reasons for preferring AMD -- but that doesn't make me dismissive of Intel's offerings.

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

Exactly what comeback are you talking about? You bought your AMD 5950X three years ago because it was a better proposition than Intel then. And you are confusing one guy's opinion with the last word on CPUs. I have personal reasons for preferring AMD -- but that doesn't make me dismissive of Intel's offerings.

AMD was nearly dead. After my Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition I had my first two and only Intel CPU´s. Since my teenage years i had always AMD CPU´s. So I was happy when they had their Comeback with the Zen Architecture because no one seemed to believe that AMD can fight back. A few years back the old PreSonus Forum when i told i bought a Ryzen 7 3800X there was only guy who thought AMD will be good enough for Audio, all others were sceptical. This guy bought a Threadripper. So for me i am happy to see People now using AMD for Audio. It has it`s place and really good and far from beeing a dead horse.

 

[MisterE]

AMD was nearly dead. After my Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition I had my first two and only Intel CPU´s. Since my teenage years i had always AMD CPU´s. So I was happy when they had their Comeback with the Zen Architecture because no one seemed to believe that AMD can fight back. A few years back the old PreSonus Forum when i told i bought a Ryzen 7 3800X there was only guy who thought AMD will be good enough for Audio, all others were sceptical. This guy bought a Threadripper. So for me i am happy to see People now using AMD for Audio. It has it`s place and really good and far from beeing a dead horse.

Yeah, so this "comeback" you speak of started with the 3000 series, which dropped in 2019, so the only place this is a news story in 2025 is in your head. And they are hardly running circles around Intel now.

 

[OutrageProductions]

The only issue that is not generally considered with the i7/i9 14900k is that it is mandatory to use a liquid cooler on it.
Not just when overclocking, but even as stock when the processor goes into turbo mode as it will do under even minimal load.
Temperatures of over 135F will easily cook that grid array. Liquid radiation can have it idle at 75F & turbo to about 115F under heavy load in my experience.

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

Yeah, so this "comeback" you speak of started with the 3000 series, which dropped in 2019, so the only place this is a news story in 2025 is in your head. And they are hardly running circles around Intel now.

Yes and exactly this was, what made me feel so sad, but now they are back and have established themselves over the last 6 years and are well accepted, good to see. Will choose AMD for sure for my next Build. I think it`s the best decision to made currently. Let`s hope Phil will be on board too.

 

[MisterE]

Yes and exactly this was, what made me feel so sad, but now they are back and have established themselves over the last 6 years and are well accepted, good to see. Will choose AMD for sure for my next Build. I think it`s the best decision to made currently. Let`s hope Phil will be on board too.

You can spend your money any way you choose, but if you or anyone else are going to splurge on a beefy machine that can handle large track count VSTs, you should at least investigate ARM processors and all the possibilities they open. Once again, Gearspace is the place where pros discuss all things CPU. This place is amateur hour for advanced CPU discussion.

 

[Sombreuil]

You can spend your money any way you choose, but if you or anyone else are going to splurge on a beefy machine that can handle large track count VSTs, you should at least investigate ARM processors and all the possibilities they open. Once again, Gearspace is the place where pros discuss all things CPU. This place is amateur hour for advanced CPU discussion.

I've been reading Gearspace for a very long time now, and I don't see any difference between messages there compared to any other forum I visit.
There is good and bad advice evrywhere.

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

Sie können Ihr Geld ausgeben, wie Sie möchten, aber wenn Sie oder jemand anderes sich eine leistungsstarke Maschine gönnen möchte, die VSTs mit einer großen Anzahl von Spuren verarbeiten kann, sollten Sie sich zumindest mit ARM-Prozessoren und allen damit verbundenen Möglichkeiten befassen. Gearspace ist der Ort, an dem Profis alles rund um CPUs diskutieren. Hier finden Amateure die perfekte Plattform für fortgeschrittene CPU-Diskussionen.

I dislike this site. It`s looking a bit :Kacke:y to me IMO. The Design is too much and it needs a complete overhaul.

 

[MisterE]

I've been reading Gearspace for a very long time now, and I don't see any difference between messages there compared to any other forum I visit.
There is good and bad advice evrywhere.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

@Phil james

Phil how much are you going to spent? What is your budget?

 

[Phil james]

Hi not massive
£1500. Would be about it

 

[MisterE]

Hi not massive
£1500. Would be about it

In Britain you may want to have a chat with Scan Computers. Pete Kaine is one of the most knowledgeable and accessible PC builders on earth. Yes, you will pay a premium to have a company build for you, and no, you won't have the fastest of the fastest machines for your budget, but you will be able to slay plenty of dragons and have zero problems for years going this route.

 

[Sebastian Holtzer]

Hi not massive
£1500. Would be about it

Do you`ve got an exact plan what kind of connections you need (X-USB and X-M.2 Slots, PCIe and so on, ) for the mainboard? I would say once you`re aware of what you need here you can make a good decision and perhaps save a lot of money for the mainboard.

Do you looking for a complete rig with Graphics Card and SSD`s included or do you plan take some old parts for the new rig?