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I have a neighbour who is not a musician and he was showing me his songs and i was like oh how did you make them songs ? oh wait i thought sounds robotic ,is that suno i said to him yeah he said there my songs ,he is like 50 and slightly autistic

ah i tried it i said it’s fun for a gimmick and a joke for a few mins but then i got bored with it coz it didnt really feel like my music ( i got a dirty look ) and as crazy as this sounds my other neighbour is a 15 year old kid he is autistic too ( his dad used to play bass)
and this kid is a very very good pianist
( i will state my nephew has autism and this has nothing to do with the post) as unbelievable as it sounds it’s 100% true) so he knocks on my door from time to time this kid and speaks about music and he is like “ “george wanna hear my song “ so i listen and i am like ahh thats good ahh did you make this on ableton intro? that i showed him how to use )
“no i made some backing tracks on suno it’s so easy he said. but mate i said your such an amazing clever piano player why do you need to do that i said? “it’s easier he said i can’t play guitar
Now if you look at my other post i have been struggling to get back into producing lately but i’ve decided im gonna do it but slowly along with practice , but i can see this “suno hooks “
appealing to kids and them saying “ whats the point of learning anything if i can make music with the click of a mouse and collaborate on this suno stuff ?

i mean at the age of 45 im trying to get back into it not for fame and of course this won’t stop me and i know things got easier with the use of daws and electronic equipment over the years

but are we really going to see the part of music ie the production and creating of pieces of music taken over by AI

What do you think ?

The video below is what brought me to this Discussion





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You're kind of out of date! The two biggest AI generative music apps have capitulated to the industry giants and have signed deals to basically pay UMG, Warner and (eventually) Sony for the use of their artists material to teach AI. Part of the deal is that artists can refuse to allow their material to be used in this way, and that downloads of material generated prior to the court cases will be (or already has been) stopped.

How much difference this will make is moot - the settlements have been made in the USA and have no jurisdiction over much of the world, although Udio and Suno will be held to the settlement wherever the three big companies operate. But it's inevitable that software developed and marketed outside the USA will replace these two companies, and that software will get better and better and the streaming companies (at least, those who care) will struggle to detect AI-generated material. Also, forgive my cynicism that the industry giants will pass any of the payoff back to any artists who don't already generate billions of revenue for them!

So, this stuff won't go away but Udio and Suno have been hobbled.
 
I think the potential of AI to help us with monotonous tasks is incredible but music and art in general is certainly not an area that it needs to help with. Creating music, learning to play an instrument proficiently, learning the art of mixing and mastering is really hard and takes a lot of work over a long time, but that’s what ultimately makes it fulfilling. I wish we could see more AI tools which could act like a studio assistant, prepping sessions for us, organising complex routings for stem export etc rather than the focus being on doing the creative stuff for us…that’s the fun part, AI should stick to the boring stuff we don’t wanna do!!
 
I don’t think you’re ever going to be able to restrict AI to certain tasks, other than in your own space. That genie is out, and it’s not going back in! Like all new tools, we will exploit its strengths and adapt to its weaknesses. Where we need to, we can legislate against its potential to do harm, but I’m not sure we’ve ever been particularly good at doing that ever since the first wheel!
 
It's all fun and games until this bubble bursts - and it will.

If there has ever been a bigger push to solve a problem - where none actually exists - I have never seen it.

The lack of uptake and a general "meh" attitude to all this AI slop will eventually be it's demise.

As with all good things that actually matter - if it did - it would.

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Someone in the acting domain was recently quoted as hoping

“AI comes to a point where it becomes sort of mental junk food and we feel sick and we don’t know why. I think, as terrible as it is to say, sometimes audiences need to be deprived of something in order to appreciate something again.”.

Just one perspective . . .
 
Vocalpoint said:
If there has ever been a bigger push to solve a problem - where none actually exists - I have never seen it.
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How much have you used blockchains to encrypt your music?
 
Grandpa. What’s this round thing in this picture of this old car from back in 2025??
Oh, that was called a steering wheel. What was it for? Well back then we had to steer the car or it would crash into something. Oh wow, that sounds like fun! They let you control the car.
 
The cynical truth about the future of AI, as with everything, is that if something can be gained by using it (money, power, prestige...) then people will be using it, despite laws and better judgement. If you are in the creative business and you (or the competition) can double or triple output and income by using it, where does that leave you regarding morality and freedom of choice?

I can't remember if it was on this forum or the closed PreSonus forum that I wrote that you can't be creative all the time. Some portion of routine work is needed to stay sane. So eventually a balance will be struck between health and output. Let's hope that's sooner rather than later 😐
 
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I'd be chuffed if I could have an AI assistant to mix and master my songs. It's the aspect that I enjoy least and it can take up a disproportionate amount of time. There are already a few green shoots in that area but I'm sure it will get better and better.
 
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Companies coming out with paint-by-numbers products didn't put an end to people wanting to paint. AI will find its niche. In a best-case scenario, things like Suno could be a "gateway drug" that introduces people to making music, and inspire them to get further into it.

People in general don't seem to be that impressed by AI-generated songs, except for the novelty ones. Deezer says 28% of its uploads are AI-generated, but they get only 0.5% of the streams. Also, anecdotally, at my presentations I ask the audience how many people have listened to an AI-generated song more than once. I have yet to see a hand go up.
 
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Companies coming out with paint-by-numbers products didn't put an end to people wanting to paint. AI will find its niche. In a best-case scenario, things like Suno could be a "gateway drug" that introduces people to making music, and inspire them to get further into it.

People in general don't seem to be that impressed by AI-generated songs, except for the novelty ones. Deezer says 28% of its uploads are AI-generated, but they get only 0.5% of the streams. Also, anecdotally, at my presentations I ask the audience how many people have listened to an AI-generated song more than once. I have yet to see a hand go up.
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That can be either encouraging or alarming, now or in the future. Were they at all aware that they may have been listening to AI generated music? Or will they in the future? And who says that a production should be either 0% or 100% AI? When at some point the established music industry can increase their output by say 50% by having AI do the 'intern/routine stuff' in a fraction of the time and cost it took say 5 years ago, what does that do for royalties per song? Can any professional song writer/arranger pass up on AI under that pressure?

So AI will change the business, maybe for the good, but it will change...
 
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I’d like to see an LLM built on the feature set of Studio ONE - “Hey S1 - how do I setup a frequency-specific side chain compressor on the drum bus?” - that sort of thing.
 
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Oldmancomebacktrail said:
You see i can see some of this helping in the same way a computer has helped a develop music but what bothers me is music being so devalued that anyone thinks they can do it ,
and im not saying it’s wrong for music on these platforms to be fun ( i had fun making some silly birthday ai songs , im saying for ai prompts songs to be taken seriously
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Think of it this way:

  • DAWs are for people who want to play music.
  • Suno is for people who want to play with music.

IMO both are valid. I'm cool with internal revulsion at the idea of using Suno, and happiness for the people who have fun with it.

The devaluation process of music started with Napster, went into hyperdrive with the iPod, and then iTunes put the nail in the coffin. It ain't ever coming back, except via live performance as a shared communal experience. And I mean REAL live performance, one that creates an emotional response, not pyrotechnics to a backing track.
 
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That can be either encouraging or alarming, now or in the future. Were they at all aware that they may have been listening to AI generated music? Or will they in the future? And who says that a production should be either 0% or 100% AI?
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A recent study (by Kimaya Lecamwasam, MIT Media Lab, Cambridge, MA, USA and Tishya Ray Chaudhuri, Myndstream, London, England, UK) found that listeners rated human-composed music as more emotionally effective, even when they preferred the sound of AI-generated tracks. That suggests emotional authenticity does matter, even if it’s hard to quantify, and felt rather than understood intellectually. I go into this more in my Mixonline column from September, AI and the Fingerprint Factor. I'll also be giving the Saturday Keynote at Winter NAMM 2026 on this topic, stop by if you're in the area!

As to "who says that a production should be either 0% ot 100% AI?", the listeners do. If the music produces an emotional response that makes them want to hear something again and again, they won't care how it got there. But, at least ATM, I don't think 100% AI is capable of doing that.
 
The thing is, we're all judging Suno and similar for what they do today but the technology is just in its infancy. I think in a few years time most of us will not be able to spot an AI song. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is a debate to be had.

In the meantime, you can use Suno as a sort of suggestion box. Feed it one of the many 8/16 bar loops you have lying around, give it a couple of key words and it will do something with it. Taken as a whole that something will be pretty bad but some of the elements in there might feed your imagination and lead you somewhere you would not have gone otherwise.

As for mixing and mastering, I agree that AI might never be better than those folks at the very top of the profession. But I do believe it will eventually be better than the vast majority of humans at the task, especially at the hobbyist and amateur end of the scale.

Even with the current state of AI music generation I'd hate to be someone currently trying to make a living at writing jingles, library music, TV show themes etc, because Ai can already do that cheesy and/or clichéd stuff pretty well. I daresay some of those people are already using stuff like Suno as part of their process.
 
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I'd hate to be someone currently trying to make a living at writing jingles, library music, TV show themes etc, because Ai can already do that cheesy and/or clichéd stuff pretty well. I daresay some of those people are already using stuff like Suno as part of their process.
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It's probably only a matter of time before there will be few, if any, independent people doing this kind of work. If an ad agency needs a jingle, they do a few clicks and call it good.

Davey said:
The thing is, we're all judging Suno and similar for what they do today but the technology is just in its infancy. I think in a few years time most of us will not be able to spot an AI song.
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i think there are two important questions that need to be answered. How long will it take for AI to come up with some genuinely new that hadn't been done before (e.g., a new genre of music, like reggae), and whether AI scraping scrapings from other bots will cause info "inbreeding." Some tech people already think the answers AI generates are becoming less accurate over time, not more so.

Where this all ends up, I have no idea :) But I don't think anyone does.
 
AI music is a really fun thing to play with from a consumer point of view. Despite the opinions of some, it's not always so easy to tell when a song was generated by AI. It's certainly not going away.
  • Can AI music sound better than a random production of a Diane Warren hit song? No.
  • Can it sound as good or better than what many casual songwriters are capable of? Yes, which I think drives some of the negativity surrounding it.
The song in the video below was created by the following method:
  • Lyrics were generated by ChatGPT, which also generated very detailed prompts for the SUNO song creation.
  • The song was created by SUNO, using the lyrics and prompts created by ChatGPT.
  • SUNO produces willdy different results depending on the prompts.
  • The video was edited in Camtasia (which also uses AI in some ways).
Honesly, SUNO is - or can be in the right hands - so good that you'd often be hard pressed to know that a song was AI generated. I'm posting the video here - only as an example of the AI generated song - not to make any political statement.

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Davey said:
The thing is, we're all judging Suno and similar for what they do today but the technology is just in its infancy. I think in a few years time most of us will not be able to spot an AI song. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is a debate to be had.
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And to take this idea further for AI in general: current AI models are more like “children.” In a few years, AI may not have achieved consciousness (singularity), but it will be able to simulate this behavior sufficiently well—so that it will be indistinguishable to most people, and possibly no longer matter.
 
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