Analog Delay adding 5dB in Studio One Pro8

[AndreasB]

Hey swarm intelligence!

I wanted to use the Analog Delay just as a simple, single e.g. 4ms delay of the signal (Feedback 0%, 100% wet, no Low- or High-Cut, Zero Boost or Motor....).
Just a bare delay setting.
Now I experienced, that the output level of the incoming signal is increased by 5dB.
The Analog Delay is simply an Insert.

But I wanted to use it with some routing and experiments on HAAS effect.
But these extra 5dB from the insert are making me wonder.
There is no other Tool or insert with just a simple clean delay.

 

[SwitchBack]

I don't think you can use Analog Delay like that, as it works more like a repetitive echo (not to be confused with a reverb which acts like a 'room'). So those echoes stack which may explain the boost. For a clean simple time delay you can use this one. See if that works

 

[soundofdrums]

Hey swarm intelligence!

I wanted to use the Analog Delay just as a simple, single e.g. 4ms delay of the signal (Feedback 0%, 100% wet, no Low- or High-Cut, Zero Boost or Motor....).
Just a bare delay setting.
Now I experienced, that the output level of the incoming signal is increased by 5dB.
The Analog Delay is simply an Insert.

But I wanted to use it with some routing and experiments on HAAS effect.
But these extra 5dB from the insert are making me wonder.
There is no other Tool or insert with just a simple clean delay.

You could use splitter and stick the delay on one side then turn it’s channel level down in the splitter by 5dB

 

[soundofdrums]

You could use splitter and stick the delay on one side then turn it’s channel level down in the splitter by 5dB

Or duplicate your track, pan the original left and the dup R then delay one of the events by 15ms or so to create the haas effect

 

[AndreasB]

You could use splitter and stick the delay on one side then turn it’s channel level down in the splitter by 5dB

I already did this and it works halfways useful. But these 5dB are just a measurement from me and I'm not having confidence about the root-cause and not sure if it depends on the input signal respectively spectrum.
Anyway thank You

 

[AndreasB]

I don't think you can use Analog Delay like that, as it works more like a repetitive echo (not to be confused with a reverb which acts like a 'room'). So those echoes stack which may explain the boost. For a clean simple time delay you can use this one. See if that works

Thanks for the tip to Voxengo Delay. This tool works fine with high accuracy.
But You need to pay attention of what You are doing with it.

Because I learned meanwhile, that the value You are setting in it, is not an additional delay to the signal chain,-
it's a SUBSTRACTION from it.
Vogengo Delay is mainly for COMPENBSATING delays in Your front end,- e.g. what You got from slow tools or far microphones.
So they first add a latency of 10.000 samples to the signal, which is compensated by the DAW automatically, by delaying the other signals in correspondence.
Then You can set the Milliseconds or samples in the Voxengo Delay plugin, which are then substracted from these 10.000 samples latency. But this will not be "told" to the DAW and thus not compensated automatic.
So the values You are setting there are NO delay. They are "speeding up" the signal relative to the other tracks.
I've checked this using the Splitter and the Scope plugin from S1.

 

[AndreasB]

I don't think you can use Analog Delay like that, as it works more like a repetitive echo (not to be confused with a reverb which acts like a 'room'). So those echoes stack which may explain the boost. For a clean simple time delay you can use this one. See if that works

...and last but not least:

There is NO TOOL in S2 Pro for a simple, dry, non vintage, no motor.... delay!
If I adjust the "Analog Delay" to pure delay without Feedback and Filters to "OFF", NO boost and all the other fancy things,
I would expect to get, what I want, and NO 5dB extra!
If it is set like this and 100% wet, there should be absolute no foldings of additions from the original dry signal and no foldings from the feedback.
Just the time shift of the original.
(sorry, when I'm a little pissed from searching so long for the root-cause and a solution now.)