GIM Productions
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Thanks, I have the DAW structured with different folders for different projects so I always change the save folder according to my needs, no problem
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Midiboy
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I use the guitar amp sims with virtual guitars and they sound excellent. We don't have to agree, and I never said that people that disagree with me are wrong. It's my opinion that some people are over reacting. My bet is that we will see Studio Pro 8 come to be a fantastic upgrade as they continue to develop updates and upgrades.
But like I said, I am not going to continue this argument, but I did want to respond to a few direct things you said to me, but I will no longer respond to you on this thread at least regarding this topic. I'm not here to argue.
You keep going back and forth between being Buddhist about the fact the NI S61 mkIII still boxed in your closet doesn't work properly with the software formerly known as Studio One and being definitely concerned about it. One post you have the infinite patience of a zen master, the next you wonder why this snafu hasn't been ironed out already.
I will freely concede that it takes time to insure that the word "Fender" is embedded on every bit of software from the main program to the included VSTs and every trace of the word "Presonus" is wiped out from every hardware device. That does take a lot of work
Maybe I'll get in the spirit and apply a Fender decal to my Presonus MP20.
That's a new one on me! While we may disagree, I'm happy you're happy with the new release. It's not like I can't see some people being happy with guitar orientation.
Vocalpoint
Well-known member
Hardly Buddhist or even close to being concerned about this being "ironed out".
Yes - I made a reference to the fact the v8 has not yet addressed this new firmware. And yes - it was slightly disappointing to find that out - but I was over it in 5 minutes.
All that discovery did was inject a sense of relief- as now I have "X" more months of time for planning. My migration plans for 2026 are extensive - it is not something that can ever be taken lightly (completely rebuilding the entire DAW structure) as I have clients to tend to.
So NOT having that MKIII update available to me - right now - is actually a good thing.
I cannot proceed until all the pieces make it worthwhile as there is no version of migration that includes the MKII I have now.
If/when Fender decides to support the MKIII fully - is fine by me.
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For clarity my computer isn't fooled it knows this is now fender
Breakdown of where things are installed.
If you accept the defaults when installing Ver 8 it installs to...
C:/Program Files/Fender
and no longer under a Presonus folder.
The installer also creates a User folder in...
C:/Users/... your name.../AppData/Roaming/Fender
The Ver 7 and other SO1 installs are left intact in Presonus folders.
Regards folks
Surf.Whammy
Active member
Same here . . .
I tried to make sense of the "new" semicircle thing; but it's not very useful, although there is a way to get it to show 5ths, where if you click on "C" it shows "G" and so forth,
I never used the "Circle of Fifths", mostly because I started playing string bass professionally in the early-1960's and several years later started teaching myself how to play electric guitar (rhythm) and than a decade or so later, lead guitar.
I think the difference regarding not needing the "Circle of Fifths" is that bass player learn the songs "Louie Louie" (The Kinsmen) and "Sleepwalk" (Santo & Johnny), which are the two most-used patterns in what one might call "popular music".
"Louie Louie" has the bass pattern {1, 4, 5}, and the "Sleepwalk" pattern is {1, 6, 4. 5], which is "Louie Louie" but with an Am if the root is "C".
Technically, it's a -3m or whatever, since the second note and chord is lower than the first note and chord rather than higher. It's {C, Am, F, G}, while "Louie Louie" is {C, F, G} when in the key of "C", although it usually was played in "A" by garage bands, using Barre chords.
Flip "Sleepwak" and play it upside-down and the verse is the chords for "Louie Louie" but in a different order {4, 5, 1} as in "Heat Wave" (Martha & The Vandellas), which is the best song for determining how good your "by ear" identification of chord patterns is.
"Heat Wave" also has a reverse "Walk Don't Run" (The Ventures) Intro.
If you can listen to "Heat Wave" and get the chords without needing to experiment, then your "by ear" identifying is excellent!
Bass players learn this stuff and then map it to rhythm guitar; so my initial thinking was that the "Semicircle of Stupidity" might make sense to guitar players; but a simple test provided the clue.
You can click on the "Sleepwalk" chords in the PreSonus Studio One 7.2.3 "Circle of Fifths", and it works without needing to change from Major to minor for the second chord.
However, in the "Semicircle of Stupidity" you can start with C Major but there is no way to get it to play Am without changing if from Major to minor, which pretty much makes it useless.
One might hope there is some type of logic to the way the "Semicircle of Stupidity" works; but after messing with it for an hour or so, nothing logical appeared.
On the good side, if you have Reason 13 (Reason Studios), then there are Rack Extensions that do different types of automagical chord patterns and sequences; and you can run them in Fender Studio Pro 8 via the Reason Rack VST.
Learn these four songs intimately ("Louie Louie", "Sleepwalk, "Heat Wave" and "Walk Don't Run"), and it's the chord pattern for every popular song of the 20th century, with a few variations, of course. At the time, these were monaural, which is the best way to study them.
Prior to "Walk Don't Run" drummers played Big Band style drum rolls; but this changed with "Walk Don't Run" and a while later with the way Ringo Starr (Beatles) does rimshots and drum rolls. So the style earlier was like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa played drums, but then it changed to the session drummer on "Walk Don't Run" and then Ringo Starr.
[NOTE: For the younger folks, there was and continues to be a "naughty" version of the lyrics for "Louie Louie", although nobody actually knows the best version of the "naughty" lyrics. History suggests J. Edgar Hoover (Director of the FBI) was obsessed with determining whether the lyrics for "Louie Louie" were communistic, obscene, or risqué; but after having FBI Special Agents study the song for two years, they realized there literally was no possible way to determine what the actual lyrics are, let along the various "naughty" versions; but the other side of the coin is that the lead singer for every junior high school "garage band" had a version of the "naughty" lyrics, which clearly included the phrase, "f--- your girl all kinds of ways", and was how things worked in the early-1960's. The other clue maps to "every night at ten". This was nearly too much FUN for teenage boys, and the teenage girls thought it was funny, too. it was a big hit song, all because the singer mumbled the lyrics.
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Midiboy
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I know this isn't the place we would normally post content we create, but since you said virtual guitars are a new one for you, here is a cover of a Trans Siberian Orchestra song that I did. Yes, it's Christmas, but it's my latest released song. All keyboard with all virtual instruments. No loops. No pre-fab audio. All played on keys by me.
Surf.Whammy
Active member
I´m a drummer since 40 years and music teacher since 33 years and know my way around a keyboard, so I usually don´t need all of the chord track stuff to compose/arrange or for all the theory stuff. I also don´t need the AI thing for finding chords. The circle of fifth in the chord selector was just a very convenient, quick way to go through some chord changes when no keyboard was at hand. This option is now gone, sadlySame here . . .
I tried to make sense of the "new" semicircle thing; but it's not very useful, although there is a way to get it to show 5ths, where if you click on "C" it shows "G" and so forth,
I never used the "Circle of Fifths", mostly because I started playing string bass professionally in the early-1960's and several years later started teaching myself how to play electric guitar (rhythm) and than a decade or so later, lead guitar.
I think the difference regarding not needing the "Circle of Fifths" is that bass player learn the songs "Louie Louie" (The Kinsmen) and "Sleepwalk" (Santo & Johnny), which are the two most-used patterns in what one might call "popular music".
"Louie Louie" has the bass pattern {1, 4, 5}, and the "Sleepwalk" pattern is {1, 6, 4. 5], which is "Louie Louie" but with an Am if the root is "C".
Technically, it's a -3m or whatever, since the second note and chord is lower than the first note and chord rather than higher. It's {C, Am, F, G}, while "Louie Louie" is {C, F, G} when in the key of "C", although it usually was played in "A" by garage bands, using Barre chords.
Flip "Sleepwak" and play it upside-down and the verse is the chords for "Louie Louie" but in a different order {4, 5, 1} as in "Heat Wave" (Martha & The Vandellas), which is the best song for determining how good your "by ear" identification of chord patterns is.
"Heat Wave" also has a reverse "Walk Don't Run" (The Ventures) Intro.
If you can listen to "Heat Wave" and get the chords without needing to experiment, then your "by ear" identifying is excellent!
Bass players learn this stuff and then map it to rhythm guitar; so my initial thinking was that the "Semicircle of Stupidity" might make sense to guitar players; but a simple test provided the clue.
You can click on the "Sleepwalk" chords in the PreSonus Studio One 7.2.3 "Circle of Fifths", and it works without needing to change from Major to minor for the second chord.
However, in the "Semicircle of Stupidity" you can start with C Major but there is no way to get it to play Am without changing if from Major to minor, which pretty much makes it useless.
One might hope there is some type of logic to the way the "Semicircle of Stupidity" works; but after messing with it for an hour or so, nothing logical appeared.
On the good side, if you have Reason 13 (Reason Studios), then there are Rack Extensions that do different types of automagical chord patterns and sequences; and you can run them in Fender Studio Pro 8 via the Reason Rack VST.
Learn these four songs intimately ("Louie Louie", "Sleepwalk, "Heat Wave" and "Walk Don't Run"), and it's the chord pattern for every popular song of the 20th century, with a few variations, of course. At the time, these were monaural, which is the best way to study them.
Prior to "Walk Don't Run" drummers played Big Band style drum rolls; but this changed with "Walk Don't Run" and a while later with the way Ringo Starr (Beatles) does rimshots and drum rolls. So the style earlier was like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa played drums, but then it changed to the session drummer on "Walk Don't Run" and then Ringo Starr.
[NOTE: For the younger folks, there was and continues to be a "naughty" version of the lyrics for "Louie Louie", although nobody actually knows the best version of the "naughty" lyrics. History suggests J. Edgar Hoover (FBI) was obsessed with determining whether the lyrics for "Louie Louie" were communists or risqué, but after having FBI Special Agents study the song for days or weeks, they realized there literally is no possible way to determine what they actual lyrics are, let along the various "naughty" versions; but the other side of the coin is that the lead singer for every junior high school "garage band" had a version of the "naughty" lyrics, which clearly included the phrase, "f--- your girl all kinds ways", which was the way things worked in the early-1960's. The other clue maps to "every night at ten". This was nearly too much FUN for teenage boys, and the teenage girls thought it was funny, too. it was a big hit song, all because the singer mumbled the lyrics.
I'm sure Jesus would approve
It's not so much the concept of virtual guitars is new to me, more like ones played through amp sims. I would have thought the samples already came treated or there was provision within the app.
TonalDynamics
Active member
Hmm, In theory sure, in practice? Rarely happens.
Name one application that achieves this fully.
Simplifying UX/UI experience for noobies while at the same time developing advanced toolsets for advanced users is incredibly expensive and difficult to do, for the simple reason that development resources have to be aimed somewhere, and you can't aim them in the hobbyist direction without diverting resources away from advanced features/users.
Possible? Yes.
Extremely expensive/difficult/unlikely/unprecedented?
Absolutely.
THW
Member
I would be on board with an option to disable that mini drop down control...never use it and am constantly needing to collapse it.
THW
Member
Just wanted to say I enjoyed listening to your cover! Programming virtual guitar well is not easy. I appreciate how deep the impact soundworks guitars go...nice to hear argent in action. I have hydra and once I setup sound variations for it, programming has been a much more enjoyable experience. Typically use it with a neural dsp nolly x, or for heavier stuff, otto audio eleven. I also get alot of use out of KeepForest Appex. I use more of the onboard sounds for that guitar than others, which I always run through amp Sims. Just sounds better and more control.
Shifting more on topic for the group/thread re: Studio Pro (SP):
I have yet to try out the new native amp sims for guitar and bass. Am curious about latency, as the amp Sims I use can be quite heavy on resources. Could be nice for tracking...idk. Looking forward to experimenting.
I am optimistic about the sound...And they, along with all the included fx pedals, need not be limited to use only on live or virtual guitars. I know plenty of folks making creative use of guitar fx and amps on all kinds of instruments. Im excited to try on electric violin, for example.
funeralparties
New member
New member here. Currently have Studio One 6 and heard about the new major update to Fender Studio 8.
Went to sweetwater and found an upgrade for only $99, and got that.
I have the license key now, but.. I cannot find where to download the installer. I've logged in to the new Fender site and see all of my old Presonus orders/products, but of course Studio 8 isn't listed there since I got the license form Sweetwater (and later saw where I could get the same license from Fender for the same price, ugh)
I've looked all over the My Gear section as well as the public facing Studio 8 page and cannot see where to download the installer.
Sweetwater's instructions only pertain to entering the license key, and they do not have links to download the installer directly. Support is referring me to Fender.
I am beyond miffed.
Anyone have any useful or helpful info on getting the installer? I don't really want to spend another $99 for a second license just because I couldn't find the installer.
Went to sweetwater and found an upgrade for only $99, and got that.
I have the license key now, but.. I cannot find where to download the installer. I've logged in to the new Fender site and see all of my old Presonus orders/products, but of course Studio 8 isn't listed there since I got the license form Sweetwater (and later saw where I could get the same license from Fender for the same price, ugh)
I've looked all over the My Gear section as well as the public facing Studio 8 page and cannot see where to download the installer.
Sweetwater's instructions only pertain to entering the license key, and they do not have links to download the installer directly. Support is referring me to Fender.
I am beyond miffed.
Anyone have any useful or helpful info on getting the installer? I don't really want to spend another $99 for a second license just because I couldn't find the installer.
fmays
New member
Hi, I went through almost the same thing, couldn't find the new installer file.
It show up when I logged onto "my.fender.com". Once I logged on to the correct site, the link was there on the main page. Perhaps try "my.fender.com"? Worked for me.
funeralparties
New member
I've looked all over, the only links to go this:
The Register Here form does not recognize the License Key purchased from Sweetwater, hence my delimma.
fmays
New member
Yeah, something is squirrely with the Fender sites. They may have botched the account migration in my opinion, or I messed up linking my account.
I was logging onto to my old Fender site that I've had for years and couldn't find it. It wasn't showing any Presonus products that I'd purchased either.
So, I created a new logon with my.fender.com. That's when it showed up, and all my Presonus stuff is there too. I've since deleted my former old Fender account.
Don't know if this will help.
funeralparties
New member
I'm following up only to let this be a warning for anyone else thinking of upgrading via a license key purchased from a third party.
The instructions on the link you provided right above say to find the product I just bought and then obtain the download there. I did not buy the product (upgrad) from Fender, it was bought from Sweetwater. Therefore, Fender doesn't know I have it, and the Studio 8 product is not listed under my products.
I have no actual way to download this software.
Sweetwater put me into a support queue and said the wait would be long. I later found out wasn't being staffed at all, so I would have waited hours and nobody there would have answered.
The migration from Presonus to Fender made this upgrade path more confusing than it needed to be, and Sweetwater should not be offering license keys for products they cannot themselves provide (and which license keys are said to be invalid when I enter them at Fender's website)
