Studio One Pro Update Releases?

[Crossinger]

Not exactly sure where all this drama and expectation is coming from - with users practically demanding that Presonus get off their a** and get an update on the table

Presonus themselves did so. I don’t want to ride the “promise” argument another time, but they did bold statements such as “major features delivered faster”

There wouldn’t have been any fuzz about it if they would simply have stated:

• We respect the owners of perpetual licenses
• The delivery of updates will be tied to a new scheme of yearly update plans
• The update delivery cycles will be more or less the same as before

And no extra statements regarding the planned content. THEN there wouldn’t have been any storm in the teacup.

 

[MisterE]

I actually believe there will be substantial updates and integration to the show page and a new line of live performance fender gear - amp and pedal effect integration and stuff like that. I think we will see a pretty significant increase in their attention to the Show page, which I don't care about. But I think it'll be cool for people who want to work 100% within the Fendonus ecosystem.

So in effect, there will be Fender amp sims inside studio one, with which the parameters will control networkable amps. I believe we will see the amp sims first, possibly this update.

Only thing is, are the Fender amp sims and effects going to be any better than what's been readily available third-party for a decade already? Doubtful. So it's not going to push the envelope, really. But that is a likely place for them to expand as you've noted, even if the offerings aren't any more earth shattering than the Presonus VSTs. And should they go that route, I also doubt they'll be included as part of an update, though it's certainly not impossible.

 

[Vocalpoint]

Presonus themselves did so. I don’t want to ride the “promise” argument another time, but they did bold statements such as “major features delivered faster”

There wouldn’t have been any fuzz about it if they would simply have stated:

• We respect the owners of perpetual licenses
• The delivery of updates will be tied to a new scheme of yearly update plans
• The update delivery cycles will be more or less the same as before

And no extra statements regarding the planned content. THEN there wouldn’t have been any storm in the teacup.

Agreed. That video created way more issues than it needed to.

VP

 

[Vocalpoint]

Only thing is, are the Fender amp sims and effects going to be any better than what's been readily available third-party for a decade already?

If there is any ties to Ampire with it's noisy, buzzy generally unusable pallor - that would kill my excitement (and I am a guitar player with a closet full of Fenders Nor will it matter to anyone that has no use for guitars in general - which is most likely a very large part of the S1 user base.

I totally get that Fender has been jazzed to get their stuff front and center - but there are a half dozen sim plugins out there now that are (in my mind) - already untouchable. (looking at you Scuffman Amps!)

VP

 

[MisterE]

If there is any ties to Ampire with it's noisy, buzzy generally unusable pallor - that would kill my excitement (and I am a guitar player with a closet full of Fenders Nor will it matter to anyone that has no use for guitars in general - which is most likely a very large part of the S1 user base.

I totally get that Fender has been jazzed to get their stuff front and center - but there are a half dozen sim plugins out there now that are (in my mind) - already untouchable. (looking at you Scuffman Amps!)

VP

Or. to put it another way, I cruise this forum not as often as some, but pretty consistently, and the amount of posts I've read where people are clamoring for more Fendsonus VSTs or amp sims is basically zero. Unexpected original products, like Harmony Wizard, are more alluring, but guess what, that's a third-party add-on albeit that third person has ties to S1 programmers. Ditto for other Lukas contributions. Those are a go -- make our lives richer in S1 rather than compete with companies that crank out sound design all day and do a much better job of it.

 

[Vocalpoint]

Or. to put it another way, I cruise this forum not as often as some, but pretty consistently, and the amount of posts I've read where people are clamoring for more Fendsonus VSTs or amp sims is basically zero.

Could not agree more.

Unexpected original products, like Harmony Wizard, are more alluring, but guess what, that's a third-party add-on albeit that third person has ties to S1 programmers. Ditto for other Lukas contributions. Those are a go -- make our lives richer in S1 rather than compete with companies that crank out sound design all day and do a much better job of it.

Nailed this too - the coolest stuff I use in S1 is these types of addons - like Batch Convertor - which is a godsend for my work.

VP

 

[Trommler]

Agreed. That video created way more issues than it needed to.

VP

This video in question was obviously an inflated marketing spectacle without really corresponding to reality. Basically, they have probably lied to the potential clientele a lot. I would therefore not want to defend this company here again and again. On the part of PreSonus, this is a pretty lousy game. Gregor Beyerle from PreSonus has shown how this will really work in a preparation video for Beatcon 2025 in Berlin. PreSonus probably already has a number of new features ready in the drawer, but is deliberately holding them back in order to be able to offer enough material for a new large paid version. All I can say about this is that PreSonus is finally getting out of its ass and is developing much faster and many more innovative features for Studio One. Then there is also something left over for the annual free updates. It's time for someone to really put a fire under your butt.

 

[lokeyfly]

I am also a bit sad about the situation.
Out of shock I concentrated on shifting to Cubase last year, but all DAWs have pros and cons. In the end its just not worth the effort at the moment, especially since noone takes anything away.

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After one year of hoping and observing, I calmed down a bit and decided to stay with S1, since it offers all I really need and with nifty addons, it fills a lot of gaps I miss from other daws.

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However, I will not spend any money on S1 until I really need a new addition and I really really hope the Presonus understands the damage they have caused on their reputation by this weird move.

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I have to admit, that many things from 7.x are really useful and make me actually stay with the daw, ....

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....but I would have never thought that by reading the feature list.
I hope that this won’t become some kind of dilemma for the devs, because minor updates are less shiny but in most cases of higher importance.

[above] even

And about the update cycle…the wording was 3-4 updates per year. They still can manage this for 2025.

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But for me it most likely wont be 3 upgrades within my update period, which is somehow not acceptable.

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If you remember that a full year of update was included in the prior versions… It still feels like a punch in the face for people who supported from the first minute

[above] down,

... although the caused pain is not so much anymore
Still the bitter taste stays. Lets hope for the best.

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Your response reads like a roller coaster. I dont mean that in a negative way, but c'mon. This is a common position among let's just say a good number of DAW users. I get the passion you guys have, and that is truly a good thing. Call me silly, but in an effort to assist (which I never mind doing), I wish people would put some emphasis on what actually is needed to meet a genuine goal, rather than putting some development team's nose to the grind stone. Would six updates make you guys giggle like little school girls, returning from Disneyworld, or two updates of some consequential need that keep the product in tune and running reliable?
Don't worry, Im sure I'll hear something on the order of "well when a company commits to selling me on their future plans, by golly, they better stand by their word [angrily]. Maybe the next line is "..... or I'm out of here". If that's the position some take, far be it that I even should spend any time assisting a moron with wet diapers how to get through a technical issue they're having. I mean hay, maybe an update won't arrive in six months!
Oh my!
Look, my point is, use the DAW (any DAW) to finish what is important. Look at different and inventive ways to mic an amp, drums, learn some new scales, or something that takes your, or your clients (now that's a scary thought) development to a higher place. Get some practical tips from Craig's tips book. That's (really out on the plank now)..... far, far more productive.
Are we really counting updates folks? Because I really feel a good many of you are. Is that the deepest ball you can hit out of the park?

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have read this utterly ridiculous post. Apologies. Things to do.

Or maybe the appropriate answer might be get the gas out of your ...

Only with a smile

 

[Gerran]

Wow - remind me not to use catchphrases around ya.

Easy there tiger.

VP

Sorry, you might have triggered a nuisance of mine, being a live sound engineer. How many times people want to knock on a mic to see if it works (it never does, I turn it down if they do) or even literally drop a mic for theatrical purposes....
Nothing personal VP..

 

[FaRu]

Your response reads like a roller coaster. I dont mean that in a negative way, but c'mon. This is a common position among let's just say a good number of DAW users. I get the passion you guys have, and that is truly a good thing.

Sure, that was the intention: Mixed feelings about a situation. A situation that is not easy. I do not get what is so wrong in not seeing everything just black or white… I was really shocked, calmed down, but still see the problem.

I wish people would put some emphasis on what actually is needed to meet a genuine goal, rather than putting some development team's nose to the grind stone. Would six updates make you guys giggle like little school girls, returning from Disneyworld, or two updates of some consequential need that keep the product in tune and running reliable?

Who did this? It was Presonus who wanted to deliver faster and increased the price. 6 Updates would not even come to my minde, and I would have been happy with the updates so far. But there is a major change in their business model that seems to be forgotten here easily...

If that's the position some take, far be it that I even should spend any time assisting a moron with wet diapers how to get through a technical issue they're having. I mean hay, maybe an update won't arrive in six months!

Classic straw man.

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have read this utterly ridiculous post. Apologies. Things to do.

Or maybe the appropriate answer might be get the gas out of your ...

Only with a smile

Why become offensive?

Presonus themselves did so. I don’t want to ride the “promise” argument another time, but they did bold statements such as “major features delivered faster”

There wouldn’t have been any fuzz about it if they would simply have stated:

• We respect the owners of perpetual licenses
• The delivery of updates will be tied to a new scheme of yearly update plans
• The update delivery cycles will be more or less the same as before

And no extra statements regarding the planned content. THEN there wouldn’t have been any storm in the teacup.

This sums this up perfectly.

This video in question was obviously an inflated marketing spectacle without really corresponding to reality. Basically, they have probably lied to the potential clientele a lot. I would therefore not want to defend this company here again and again. On the part of PreSonus, this is a pretty lousy game. Gregor Beyerle from PreSonus has shown how this will really work in a preparation video for Beatcon 2025 in Berlin. PreSonus probably already has a number of new features ready in the drawer, but is deliberately holding them back in order to be able to offer enough material for a new large paid version. All I can say about this is that PreSonus is finally getting out of its ass and is developing much faster and many more innovative features for Studio One. Then there is also something left over for the annual free updates. It's time for someone to really put a fire under your butt.

And this as well.

 

[Davey]

Are we really counting updates folks?

Well, yes, because Presonus promised 3 to 4 updates per year and that features would be released more quickly. Hardly surprising that folks might be paying attention to that aspect.

(BTW, I thought the rest of your post was quite unpleasant to FaRu. No need for that stuff imo)

 

[lokeyfly]

Yes, I see you are really counting updates. Its about "business model", "promised". What was I thinking? "Increased the price" no less.
My point is to do exactly that. Raise your position of what truly is important.
Instead, what I'm hearing are counting crows.
The responses dont suggest much, but hey....
That's all your positions. ..... cool.
This wouldn't be the first or last thread that sounded like a bunch of stock investors, rather than serious creators.

To extend an olive branch........I think the intention of getting customers features early was a good one. Even genuine one. When Gregor put a number and time frame on that, was wholly a mistake. Development was going to happen anyway. Maybe updates released in a year, fourteen months, whatever. Releases were going to come out. Costs were going to rise. The product is still the product, and fortunately the business model hasn't gone full subscription only. So now they (those three geniuses in the promo video) pay the price of showing their hand (which you NEVER do). I just wouldn't count updates to hold them to anything. Rockets still go up, and engineering compromises, slips (oops), and budgets still occur. There just might be something on our end a little more important than counting, with our toes tapping. If you get my drift.

 

[sintil8]

I am very thankfull that SO 7 is stable and folk are not facing this with SO 7 running full of bugs!!!
I'm sure there would be a lot of ppl getting uptight about reaching the end of the first year with a half baked Ver 7.

There is one big BUT i keep coming back to. if you look at the accrued cost over the term that will be paid it starts to build up.
Also,
having been onboard since SO1 v2 and updated pretty regularly (missed v6) I feel my patronage might be a consideration, as other long term user's might also feel. Maybe I am being a bit selfish in expecting some reciprocity for that support as I have had good use from the product, It just confounds me that we do not have a dialogue with the company. I mean is Midi 2 being worked upon?
Will the supposed windoze ASIO driver allow windows to have agregated audio devices in SO1. I would be happy to hear some rumours that dev is putting some time into such things.

As I said earlier in this thread "there is a lot to be thankful for", and having this discussion is healthy, as we all use the program and want it to be the best it can be, lets not lose sight of that.

Anyway, as always the best of regards to all.

 

[Johnsongs]

According to U.S. time, it is now Tuesday. I'm curious if there will be an update today? Studio One 7.0 was released on October 9th. Presonus' promised 'one year' will end in two days.

Hm. Usually there's a teaser YT video beforehand, so if anything is happening tomorrow, it doesn't seem to have warranted one. On the other hand, the new way of things is supposed to be 'four or five' updates a year, i.e. no annual 'biggie'. So does that mean S1 7 will always now be called '7'?

 

[Trommler]

Well, yes, because Presonus promised 3 to 4 updates per year and that features would be released more quickly. Hardly surprising that folks might be paying attention to that aspect.

(BTW, I thought the rest of your post was quite unpleasant to FaRu. No need for that stuff imo)

That's exactly how it is! A year ago, PreSonus made grandiose announcements that have not been kept in any way so far. It is incomprehensible to me why numerous customers of software products are so indescribably frugal to even submissive. That's an absolute mystery to me. As if all software developers were quasi God and are untouchable. I can't believe it.

 

[Vocalpoint]

Hm. Usually there's a teaser YT video beforehand, so if anything is happening tomorrow, it doesn't seem to have warranted one.

Historically (last Sept 29 being a very huge exception) - Presonus never announces anything. Updates simply arrive when they arrive.

@Ari usually delivers the good news to the board here AND - they almost always release on a Tuesday.

On the other hand, the new way of things is supposed to be 'four or five' updates a year, i.e. no annual 'biggie'.

If you are going to reference the keynote video from 09-29-24 - let's be sure to keep the update count correct. Gregors exact phrase was "3-4 feature drops" - not 4-5

So does that mean S1 7 will always now be called '7'?

As far as version naming - only the future knows for sure. But until then - it's Version 7.2.2.

VP

 

[TimC340]

Having had a bit of a think about this, I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about whenever the next update to S One v7 happens, or what's in it. I know there are a number of features that people would like to see, and a number of improvements to current features, and I'm sure that the devs are working to supply these in time. If they don't do that, then people will start to drift away to other DAWs - but I think we're a long way from that.

On the other hand, I am concerned about the subscription model, as I don't think it's working either for PreSonus/Fender or for users. To my mind, the subscription is as much about funding the development or acquisition of addons to the DAW which improve the Studio One experience for users as it is about funding the development of the DAW itself. For both aspects, customers have to see value being returned to them in order to justify continuing a subscription, and I really don't think that's happening.

The DAW is being improved; we've had a couple of updates and a number of small patches in 2025 and, although the pace perhaps isn't as fast as some would like, it is actually happening. But the Plus side of the subscription is seeing no action whatsoever, and that's Not Good. In fact, the only content additions we've had this year have been within the DAW's own resources and are part of the Perpetual licence (Cinematic Lights and Sub Zero Bass). So is there a point to continuing the subscription? Would many users be better off sticking with whatever version is current at the end of their year and waiting for the next integer update before paying for an upgrade? If that view becomes popular, then PreSonus has a problem because the subscription model is broken.

Any subscription (as opposed to hire purchase, or rent-to-own) must provide the customer with a reason to continue subscribing. I'm not sure PreSonus is doing a great job of that, particularly on the Plus side of the deal, and that concerns me as I'd really like to see the DAW receive the funding it needs to continue to improve.

 

[Vocalpoint]

But the Plus side of the subscription is seeing no action whatsoever, and that's Not Good. In fact, the only content additions we've had this year have been within the DAW's own resources and are part of the Perpetual licence (Cinematic Lights and Sub Zero Bass). So is there a point to continuing the subscription?

This is VERY concerning and if I were a sub user - I would probably be freaking out a bit.

A sub (to me) should be piling on the new stuff with a regular cadence with no deviation whatsoever. It would be like signing up for Netflix and then watching them not offer a single new feature, movie or series for months on end - users would be livid - and gone.

I am hoping that this is not a sign of what I think is going on behind the scenes.

I am usually not one to speculate but when I put the fallout of that Sept 2024 video together with what we have clearly NOT seen (delivery wise) in 2025, the clear lack of subscription support, the dev team being redirected to do Fender Studio for a large chunk of this year and now this Presonus/Fender account sync nonsense that has been going on - I mean call me crazy - but I am finding it very difficult to stay in my lane and remain positive on S1 without constantly thinking about some "other" announcement that may be coming soon.

VP

 

[TimC340]

Yes, it is worrying. I have no insight into the workings of Fender or PreSonus, but the lack of love for the Plus sub is likely indicative of an upcoming change of direction of some sort. It could be that Fender are working towards a re-branding of PreSonus to be closer to the parent brand, and that Fender Studio is the harbinger of that. Could we be about to see a new Fender professional DAW based on Studio One, with new content and pricing models? I hope not; I think that would be very disruptive just a year or so after the changes that S One v7 brought, but who knows?

 

[Vocalpoint]

Yes, it is worrying. I have no insight into the workings of Fender or PreSonus, but the lack of love for the Plus sub is likely indicative of an upcoming change of direction of some sort. It could be that Fender are working towards a re-branding of PreSonus to be closer to the parent brand, and that Fender Studio is the harbinger of that. Could we be about to see a new Fender professional DAW based on Studio One, with new content and pricing models? I hope not; I think that would be very disruptive just a year or so after the changes that S One v7 brought, but who knows?

From a pure business angle - Fender didn't buy Presonus just to have it be a loner in the office at the end of the hall that no one checks in on.

Something (whatever that is) may be coming - but I really hope it does not change the vibe of S1 or god forbid - turn into what happened when Gibson made their "announcement" (circa Nov 2017)

VP