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I already have value with SO 1 as is, but curiosity is part of my nature and as the first year is coming to a close do wonder how Presonus will keep the Pro+ advantage alive.
Maybe the question about it being a yearly subscription is the hour glass, I'm on the same bus as yourself and that quality releases are more valuable than timed events.
Perhaps the annivesary will pass without a murmer, and hopefully patience will win.
Maybe the question about it being a yearly subscription is the hour glass, I'm on the same bus as yourself and that quality releases are more valuable than timed events.
Oh trust me - like you (and I am assuming MANY others) I have had all sorts of questions rattling around in my brain as my end date comes down as well.
But the bottom line (for me anyway) is that S1 is my jam - and no amount of calendar watching is going to change that.
Version 7.2.2 is a rock and as a perpetual customer - if my "annual updates" day goes by - no biggie. The Pro+ crowd has a different mindset and I get it.
But it is not going to cost me anything to wait and keep creating.
It's in their interest to not give too many big updates in any particular year, regardless of that "promise" when they changed to the latest pricing scheme. That way they might tempt perpetuals onto the subscription. Of course, if they get it wrong they may lose customers altogether. That's the risk of having two tier pricing.
I think if there isn't at least a substantial 7.5 release within that first year then there are going to be some peeved perpetual customers.
My sub isn't due till January, so I'm not concerned as yet. In fact, though I was a little concerned earlier in the year I decided not to let it worry me; S1 7.2.2 gives me almost everything I need as is and, while I'll be very happy to see updates and new features, there's nothing burning me up that I simply must have.
I am interested to see if PreSonus goes, as indicated on the v7 pre-release information, to Apple- (and FLStudio-) style year-based nomenclature, and how that will affect our update status. Will S1 v7 simply become S1 v26 (say) with no other changes, or will it be a significant update?
I am interested to see if PreSonus goes, as indicated on the v7 pre-release information, to Apple- (and FLStudio-) style year-based nomenclature, and how that will affect our update status. Will S1 v7 simply become S1 v26 (say) with no other changes, or will it be a significant update?
I've been very complimentary about the solidity of all the S1 releases since the sale to Fender when everyone was on red alert for complete collapse. But something tells me it wasn't the programmers who came up with the idea to guarantee four significant releases a year. I hope they don't start slipping up under the pressure of so-called guaranteed releases. I wouldn't want that kind of stress if I was a programmer.
There are a lot of things shifting around in the software world with the forthcoming Midi 2 and a Microsoft ASIO driver, perhaps it would be wise for Presonus to hold off on any major update until the dust settles around the release of those two enhancements.
I am pretty certain folk with more insight and brains than me are making the right judgement calls.
I suppose I'm just bummed that my sub is about to expire.
There are a lot of things shifting around in the software world with the forthcoming Midi 2 and a Microsoft ASIO driver, perhaps it would be wise for Presonus to hold off on any major update until the dust settles around the release of those two enhancements.
I am pretty certain folk with more insight and brains than me are making the right judgement calls.
I suppose I'm just bummed that my sub is about to expire.
I am pretty sure that Presonus cannot hold off a major update much longer. They decided to go the subscription route. And while it has the benefit of a more constant revenue stream, it also forces you to supply the subscribers with a constant update stream. Or the users are gone.
Looking back the last 12 months ... was the subscription worth the money I paid? For me, it is a "no". If all the changes of the last 12 months would have been packed into an update, I would have passed this.
@stanft
That's a valid point, as this is all very subjective and folk use SO1 in lots of different ways and settings.
I'm not here to appease Presonus of any responsibility towards it's users. I do not like the yearly subscription model.
I always felt that Presonus and SO 1 had integrity in it's pricing strategy. Things have moved on and we are now into a money cycle.
I don't think I can add more than I get good milage from SO1.
Yeah, me too! They simply reversed the order of payment and delivery. Before the subscription model, I paid my money to get a feature set that I know at that moment. So, it was a very simple decision. Now, I have to pay in advance. And therefore, Presonus now has to deliver enough features and content for every user, so that every subscriber has the feeling that the subscription fee was worthwhile. And we all know that it can be really hard to meet the expectations of a heterogeneous user group.
When does the ever increasing nonsense of mutual escalation stop?
You buy something if you determine it's worth your money and can be used at the time you buy it. If you're smart you buy it during sale (and activate it later).
If you know PreSonus' release history you will never buy any new major version at release time due to bugginess and general unfinishedness. You will also know that any release cycle preferences certain users (V4 = V7 = Producer/Beatmaker version.)
You will also know that S1 is developed by a small team that is also responsible for maintaining PreSonus' firmware and Fender Studio.
(Pretending to expect a different result leads to...)
Any PR speak is meaningless. It follows the universal law of Influencer/Social/Forum/News posts: The amount of hyperbole/rage is inverse proportional to content/argument/reality.
When does the ever increasing nonsense of mutual escalation stop?
You buy something if you determine it's worth your money and can be used at the time you buy it. If you're smart you buy it during sale (and activate it later).
If you know PreSonus' release history you will never buy any new major version at release time due to bugginess and general unfinishedness. You will also know that any release cycle preferences certain users (V4 = V7 = Producer/Beatmaker version.)
You will also know that S1 is developed by a small team that is also responsible for maintaining PreSonus' firmware and Fender Studio.
(Pretending to expect a different result leads to...)
Any PR speak is meaningless. It follows the universal law of Influencer/Social/Forum/News posts: The amount of hyperbole/rage is inverse proportional to content/argument/reality.
Considering this is the end of the 1st year, I feel it reasonable to discuss how folk feel about this sub model, nothing in my mind is looking for escalation.
shrug... it's just forum banter.
I jumped from V5 to V7, well I actualy bought V6 during the grace period and took advantage of the upgrade to V7 and will probably stay where I am for the forseeable future.
Just as a passing thought tho...
Perhaps this new scheme might allow Presonus to make the price of upgrading less painfull, as upgrading is not going to be for a major Ver 0.5
upgrade.
Least in my mind it would be the smart move. The Daw is stable and folk aren't running around screaming BUGS everywhere so there is a lot to be thankful for.
I think 3 or 4 significant updates each year might be hard to sustain in the longer term but you'd think they would at least have mapped out the updates for the very first year of their new system!
Before the subscription model, I paid my money to get a feature set that I know at that moment. So, it was a very simple decision. Now, I have to pay in advance.
When you don't renew, then you'll stay on your perpetual license including all updates that were released before your suscription ended.
However, you don't need to renew your subscription immediately. You can wait until Presonus adds new features that you'd like to have and then subscribe again. At this time, you'll know exactly what you get for your money. And if you choose the 12m subscription, you'll get a brand new Studio One perpetual license, which again will include all updates until this new subscription ends. And so on...
It doesn't matter if there's a gap between the end of the old subscription and the start of a new one. In the meantime, just use the perpetual license of Studio One you already own.
I think 3 or 4 significant updates each year might be hard to sustain in the longer term but you'd think they would at least have mapped out the updates for the very first year of their new system!
Or - their idea of a "significant" update - is vastly different from yours. This is what everyone does not understand.
If we think that every "major" update - is going to include a laundry list of goodies as long as say the one for v7.0.0 - I say - get ready for long term disappointment.
Until there is an actual clarification from Presonus on what constitutes a "major" update (which is highly unlikely to ever occur) - all you can do is examine each update as it comes and decide if it's worth it to you (or not).
However, you don't need to renew your subscription immediately. You can wait until Presonus adds new features that you'd like to have and then subscribe again.
Nailed it. Did people simply forget everything that was clearly stated in that video last fall?
For perpetual users - you lose NOTHING if your annual update day slides by.
Subscription users have a different decision (AKA "Is all that extra stuff you got - worth it?).
If so - renew. If not - enjoy your shiny new perpetual license, stand pat and make a move again when you feel Presonus has delivered the goods (or not).
