Studio One /New 7/ V8 due?

[TimC340]

The relevance is that the guy who started that thread, Psychlist1972, is an actual Microsoft employee who works on a Microsoft team charged with everything in the thread title (including MIDI 2) and freely shares a lot of it on Gearspace. If Gearspace is new to you, it's where a lot of heavy hitters in the PC music world (Mac, too) congregate and provides way deeper immersion into PC nuts and bolts than we find on this site. There are undoubtedly more posts about MIDI 2 where Psychlist1972 also contributes but might be mixed in with other stuff. Search on his name or just cruise some of the really long-running threads on that Music and Computers forum and you'll come across it. I can't search around right this second, but I'll poke around in the next day or so and see if I can't find some more relevant MIDI 2 posts.

Also, I could be wrong, but I think the thread I linked to not only talks about ARM chips on laptops but they're coming for Windows desktops too.

Oh, I do get his role and his fantastic insight into what’s going on - it was a great read! It was just that there was little reference to MIDI 2.0. Nevertheless, I will go back and seek out more of his posts. It’s fascinating stuff. They did refer briefly to the potential for Arm in desktops, but the consensus was that there - as yet - is little advantage to be had when the box can be outside the studio and so cooling and so on aren’t an issue. The point (as I read it) was about the potential for laptops to be extremely powerful yet quiet. Thank you for introducing me to that forum - I can see a lost weekend ahead!!

 

[MisterE]

The sad truth is that, whilst MIDI 2 promises lots of good stuff, manufacturers will pick and choose which bits of the spec to implement and many will go for the minimum amount of work just to be able to put a MIDI 2 sticker on a product. In the same way that VST3 and CLAP plugins can potentially do so much more than VST2 but many of them don't and, in fact, quite a few of them are just a VST2 running in a wrapper.

So I'm expecting a slow evolution rather than a revolution!

Oh, I do get his role and his fantastic insight into what’s going on - it was a great read! It was just that there was little reference to MIDI 2.0. Nevertheless, I will go back and seek out more of his posts. It’s fascinating stuff. They did refer briefly to the potential for Arm in desktops, but the consensus was that there - as yet - is little advantage to be had when the box can be outside the studio and so cooling and so on aren’t an issue. The point (as I read it) was about the potential for laptops to be extremely powerful yet quiet. Thank you for introducing me to that forum - I can see a lost weekend ahead!!

I also just learned Pete (Psychlist) is chair of the MIDI 2 association. Other helpful guys on that forum are the guy that heads the top PC builder in the UK, Scan, and the #1 latency expert, so it's the go to place when you're ready for a new build or a major change to your setup. And as noted it's not just PC, they discuss all things Mac as well.

 

[TheBassBagwhan]

Re: Scheps Channel Strip. So it's bought and installed, but I haven't had a chance to get serious with it. WAVES confused me with a "buy 2, get 2 free" thing but I avoided that. If it turned into being rubbish, remember that I know where you live.
Oh, wait ...
Really, thanks.

 

[lokeyfly]

Re: Scheps Channel Strip. So it's bought and installed, but I haven't had a chance to get serious with it. WAVES confused me with a "buy 2, get 2 free" thing but I avoided that. If it turned into being rubbish, remember that I know where you live.
Oh, wait ...
Really, thanks.

You won't be sorry with the Waves - Shepps Omni Channel. I still use it and it's very efficient on CPU. I've mostly moved on to the bx_console Amek 9099. Its what I tend to call a little more musical and active, but not as straight forward as the Omni. The Omni channel is more versatile which makes it a real Swiss army knife of channel strips. Its what you get used to, so stay with the Omni Channel and you'll improve your mixes.

For drums, the McDSP 6060 is super diverse (swapping EQ, comp, and its other modules). Also their new channel G v7 I use a lot and models various SSL and Neve mixers, if you select them.

I saw earlier you use the Plugin Alliance Focusrite Console. Nice ch. strip! I like that on my master track because it's a bit CPU heavy but wonderful as a in the box, master mix bus!
Enjoy.

 

[Yluko]

I’ve been surprised that allot of new hardware synths coming out seem to completely ignore midi 2.0, even allot of the new midi controller's, I see allot of mpe support though.

My personal wish for new stuff is more cv tools, the lack of tempo sync , sequencer start and reset would both be welcome additions as well as the ability to draw in automation lanes that could be sent over cv. I love the cv tuning they added but they need more cv tools to compete with some of the other cv tool sets.

 

[Vocalpoint]

I’ve been surprised that allot of new hardware synths coming out seem to completely ignore midi 2.0, even allot of the new midi controller's, I see allot of mpe support though.

That is because it takes years of R&D to build a hardware synth and depending when this phase started for the vendor - it is VERY likely that the hardware components going into the device - were simply never ready to support MIDI 2.0 at all.

If a vendor started designing something in mid 2022 and then took 18 months to reach their first prototype and then another 18 months to reach a final device - you do not start swapping out all the components in that last 18 months for parts that may just start supporting MIDI 2.0 - you stay the course and sell your device - as designed.

Vendors designing devices here in Fall 2025 - would be smart to be considering MIDI 2.0 for a device that might drop in 2028.

VP

 

[TimC340]

As I understand it, quite a lot of MIDI 2.0 is as yet not tied down and may still be subject to change, and manufacturers will be able to choose how much of MIDI 2.0 they implement in their devices. I know that my NI Kontrol S 88 Mk 3 is advertised as having MIDI 2.0 on board, but there are pretty much no use cases for it as yet as Windows 11 24H2 doesn't support it (it's apparently coming in 25H2) and there are few plugins or VSTs built for it. While I'm interested in what it might do for us eventually, I'm not holding my breath for a revolution just yet!

 

[Cristofe]

And seeing as how Fender borrowed code from S1 to make Fender Studio, a little reach around incorporating
the Fender amp and fx models would be nice.

 

[Lukas]

And seeing as how Fender borrowed code from S1 to make Fender Studio,

"Technically", the software team behind Studio One, Notion, Caption and other PreSonus software is making Fender Studio.

a little reach around incorporating
the Fender amp and fx models would be nice.

There's already a great Fender Twin Reverb emulation inside Ampire. Everything else is just a matter of time.

 

[MisterE]

"Technically", the software team behind Studio One, Notion, Caption and other PreSonus software is making Fender Studio.


There's already a great Fender Twin Reverb emulation inside Ampire. Everything else is just a matter of time.

You're probably more in the know than me, but there are examples where you think one company buying another company would result in lots of hooks being built between the products, but in a case like Yamaha buying Cubase, it's noteworthy just how few hooks Montage keyboards have with Cubase software. Same with Yamaha/Steinberg interfaces like the UR series and the discontinued AXR4 (which had next to none).

I would think placing more Fender guitar/amp sounds into S1 would be a productive marketing idea, albeit they're hardly the only game in town, and seasoned guitarists already have plenty of options.