Studio One /New 7/ V8 due?

[gabo]

Instead of "new" features, I'm in the camp of wanting the existing features to work better. Things like auto-tempo mapping of old songs that just works. You can get the tracks there with existing tools, but you can't just "push a button" and get it done accurately the first time.

Same goes with chord detection, auto arrangement of songs, etc.

To me these things are ripe for AI. Things that a human can do easily, like consistently find the "1" for every measure in a song, the current tools either can't do or struggle with. Why is that so cumbersome and hard?

Of course all this relates to audio tracks played by musicians... Which is totally out of date and nobody does that any more!! None of these companies can make any money off fixing up that old stuff. But it's better than tape machines used to be!

 

[Vocalpoint]

Instead of "new" features, I'm in the camp of wanting the existing features to work better.

Not disagreeing with this at all.

But if you can find a way to make me (or any user - especially new ones) spend another $149.00 by issuing nothing but series of maintenance releases - I would love to hear your plans.

Like it or not - features = $$$.

It is a hard tradeoff but one that has existed since software first became “ updatable”.

A balance of fixes and features is what gets my wallet open.

On the subject of AI (for me personally) - any introduction of this tech regardless of how innocuous it may seem - would most likely the spell the end of s1 for me.

Unless I could turn every shred of it - off.

VP

 

[ianaeillo]

I’m a heavy daily user of midi but I don’t follow the news. Haven’t I been hearing about the impending implementation of Midi2 for at least ten years, if not more?

 

[ianaeillo]

On the subject of AI (for me personally) - any introduction of this tech regardless of how innocuous it may seem - would most likely the spell the end of s1 for me.

Unless I could turn every shred of it - off.

VP

Find myself agreeing with you a lot lately. I don’t need AI doing this stuff. I don’t want to be an unknowing teacher of AI during the process. I don’t want it making suggestions or looking at my work.

 

[gabo]

Not disagreeing with this at all.

But if you can find a way to make me (or any user - especially new ones) spend another $149.00 by issuing nothing but series of maintenance releases - I would love to hear your plans.

Like it or not - features = $$$.

It is a hard tradeoff but one that has existed since software first became “ updatable”.

A balance of fixes and features is what gets my wallet open.

On the subject of AI (for me personally) - any introduction of this tech regardless of how innocuous it may seem - would most likely the spell the end of s1 for me.

Unless I could turn every shred of it - off.

VP

Yep, totally understand. The only caveat is that I am a subscriber. But it wouldn't be the first company to alienate their subscribers in favor of new customers. For years I swapped back and forth from DirecTV to Dish because neither company would give existing users anything (except raised prices), but would give new customers everything. About 3 years was the window to become a "new customer" again for both of them.

So they'll likely put in AI to gain new customers no matter if you leave or not!

 

[Vocalpoint]

So they'll likely put in AI to gain new customers no matter if you leave or not!

If that ever did come to pass - as a perpetual user - I would simply stay on a (currently Ai free) version of S1 like say v7.2.2 - and use it for years without paying another cent.

And considering my Annual Updates plan ends tomorrow anyway - I am now on v7.22 whether i like it or not.

VP

 

[lokeyfly]

if you can find a way to make me (or any user - especially new ones) spend another $149.00 by issuing nothing but series of maintenance releases - I would love to hear your plans.

Like it or not - features = $$$.

It is a hard tradeoff but one that has existed since software first became “ updatable”.

A balance of fixes and features is what gets my wallet open.

On the subject of AI (for me personally) - any introduction of this tech regardless of how innocuous it may seem - would most likely the spell the end of s1 for me.

Unless I could turn every shred of it - off.

VP

This

If that ever did come to pass - as a perpetual user - I would simply stay on a (currently Ai free) version of S1 like say v7.2.2 - and use it for years without paying another cent.

And considering my Annual Updates plan ends tomorrow anyway - I am now on v7.22 whether i like it or not.

VP

....and this.

I hadn't really payed it any mind, but I really can't add anything that VP hasn't already conveyed in the above comments.

AI = BS, and I'm fine with v7.2.2 as is for quite some time.

I would have liked more development out of the clip launcher. That didn't happen.
More development out of the instrument tracks to display velocity (instead of some on/off switch). That didn't happen.

I will ante-up to a newer version of Studio One when Studio One developers display more of a valid presence. That does not include AI noodling, and displays something more of a DAW contributing mindset. I still use PT, and have been late on some past S1 major updates due to project reliability / commitment. That's a non issue.

I thoroughly enjoy reading this forum, its people, and will continue to contribute $ here, because the interaction of good information and knowledge is here.
I enjoy reading all of your contributions. We're all good in this camp.
Fill the world with good human influenced music! Not AI gumball machine droppings.
JCT

 

[MisterE]

I’m a heavy daily user of midi but I don’t follow the news. Haven’t I been hearing about the impending implementation of Midi2 for at least ten years, if not more?

Yeah, and that hard work is about to pay off. If you want to read about it in detail written by the actual Microsoft employee who works on that team as opposed to vaguely dismissing it in your mind, here ya go:

https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1436920-making-music-windows-arm-asio-apps-midi-2-a.html

 

[MisterE]

MIDI 2.0 may very well be close but that means that every single user (Mac or Windows) will need to push right up to the latest OS for their hardware to gain access to the "DAW" side of it.

Right now - OS Tahoe does not support MIDI 2.0 and only Windows 11 25H2 (way into 2026) will be the first version with full support when this is finally ready for deployment to the masses.

Then for that to make any sense - your MIDI hardware needs to support it as well. And with all MIDI 1.0 hardware being backwards compatible - MIDI 1.0 will continue to have a very long life even after MIDI 2.0 finally gains traction.

Cannot imagine every user out there upgrading their OS/computer AND buying new MIDI 2.0 compatible hardware just to join the party.

And sure - Presonus will of course be there - if/when MIDI 2.0 is a household release and it makes sense for Studio One - but I can't imagine them caring about this now - or even into 2026.

The arrival of this new standard should not stop them from making improvements for current MIDI users where ever possible.

MIDI 2.0 certainly sounds exciting - but it will take years to properly percolate before it's considered mainstream.

VP

While I wouldn't want to go point by point disputing any of these statements, cause there's some truth to all of them, I would point out that if Presonus were historically in the habit of regularly implementing new MIDI capability, I'd agree they should just include whatever they can before MIDI 2 arrives. However, we both know that isn't the case. Every so often they surge into the MIDI direction ... emphasis on every so often. Right now there's enough MIDI for the majority of "users" to get down the road. It would appear that Presonus staff programmers are okay with that, since they leave it to Lukas to come up with MIDI innovations they incorporate not "into the program," but with the ability to load them to work in conjunction with the main S1 program. So sure, I'm with you, I'll take whatever MIDI improvements I can get till MIDI 2 is ready for prime time. On the other hand, if I were on the development team, I'd still want to wait for MIDI 2 to devote serious resources to upping S1's MIDI game. Then I'd go all-in.

Sorry, I'm not up enough on Apple MIDI 2 developments or lack of them to say anything constructive about them. Of course it would be ironic if Microsoft got there first since Apple was at the forefront of MIDI (way) back in the day.

 

[Vocalpoint]

So sure, I'm with you, I'll take whatever MIDI improvements I can get till MIDI 2 is ready for prime time. On the other hand, if I were on the development team, I'd still want to wait for MIDI 2 to devote serious resources to upping S1's MIDI game. Then I'd go all-in.

If Presonus is doing DEV like I think they are doing DEV - they would have road-mapped the next several years in advance and proceed within that framework. But - as the years have shown us - they pick and chose "major" areas to improve upon in an odd and very non predictable manner.

One minute it's using S1 in a Live context (Show Page), then suddenly a huge veer off into post-productuon mixing (ATMOS) and more recently - a nod to the beat makers (Launcher etc). But MIDI? Maybe its time for a new revolution there soon - but as always - unknown.

Sorry, I'm not up enough on Apple MIDI 2 developments or lack of them to say anything constructive about them. Of course it would be ironic if Microsoft got there first since Apple was at the forefront of MIDI (way) back in the day.

I need to take back my initial statement on Tahoe - looks like some bad Ai was pushed my way. Tahoe is 2.0 ready.

VP

 

[MisterE]

If Presonus is doing DEV like I think they are doing DEV - they would have road-mapped the next several years in advance and proceed within that framework. But - as the years have shown us - they pick and chose "major" areas to improve upon in an odd and very non predictable manner.

One minute it's using S1 in a Live context (Show Page), then suddenly a huge veer off into post-productuon mixing (ATMOS) and more recently - a nod to the beat makers (Launcher etc). But MIDI? Maybe its time for a new revolution there soon - but as always - unknown.



I need to take back my initial statement on Tahoe - looks like some bad Ai was pushed my way. Tahoe is 2.0 ready.

VP

Honestly, I wish I could tell you why I feel MIDI 2 would make my life better and brighter ... even though I can't. It's more like MIDI 1 always seemed a little daunting and unseductive, and I'm imagining MIDI 2 would have better usability and be more inviting to try out more exotic maneuvers. Emphasis on imagining, not really knowing. And it's more like a hope MIDI 2 will make it easier for S1 developers (and Lukas) to give us MIDI capability like patch scripts and sysex that Cubase has had forever. For all I really know, MIDI 2 may be even harder to wrap your head around.

 

[sintil8]

Honestly, I wish I could tell you why I feel MIDI 2 would make my life better and brighter ... even though I can't. It's more like MIDI 1 always seemed a little daunting and unseductive, and I'm imagining MIDI 2 would have better usability and be more inviting to try out more exotic maneuvers. Emphasis on imagining, not really knowing. And it's more like a hope MIDI 2 will make it easier for S1 developers (and Lukas) to give us MIDI capability like patch scripts and sysex that Cubase has had forever. For all I really know, MIDI 2 may be even harder to wrap your head around.

Interesting bullet point breakdown, if the information pans out then a lot of what you are talking about is part of the package...
This YTube vid sorta makes some sense of what might be possible.

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I wish I knew more about it myself or maybe give you my understanding, but folk can make their own minds up. Hope this helps in some way.

Best of regards.

 

[MisterE]

Interesting bullet point breakdown, if the information pans out then a lot of what you are talking about is part of the pakage...
This YTube vid sorta makes some sense of what might be possible.

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I wish I knew more about it myself or maybe give you my understanding, but folk can make their own minds up. Hope this helps in some way.

Best of regards.

Thanks for posting!

(a little later) And after spending four minutes and 39 seconds on the posted video, looks like more power will indeed require more time investment! On the other hand, it looks like somehow or other displaying track names will become much easier, which may be the answer to many people's prayers about patch scripts, or at least displaying the full patch names in software which is really what we're looking for as knowing the number of a patch alone isn't very helpful at all.

The stuff about the ability to make finer timing adjustments would be more welcome if some of us (well, me) were having trouble with our MIDI timing being off which hasn't really been the case with my particular setup. Others who wrestle with MIDI timing may be more excited. But maybe it will make things like quantization more controllable.

 

[sintil8]

@MisterE
Yeah, there's a lot of promise, If it works and it's not one of those online dating app photo's type of ventures.
I have some Hardware that is Midi2 capable so it is something I would get use from. Others (MMV) will see it as a faff and a fart.
There are times when recording a delicate finess of certain sounds, when played back lose something, for instance 127 steps on a filter that's covering a much higher granulation just sound different.
But, there again that could be a psycological effect of being in that moment whilst playing. As Joni Mitchell once said, "No one asked Van Gogh to paint a 'Starry Night' again,"

If you look at it from the consumerist, it's something new and almost everybody loves new toys.

Perhaps I am bit of an optimist as in reality, it's all a bit nebulous until it get released into the wild.

Best of regards

 

[ianaeillo]

Yeah, and that hard work is about to pay off. If you want to read about it in detail written by the actual Microsoft employee who works on that team as opposed to vaguely dismissing it in your mind, here ya go:

https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1436920-making-music-windows-arm-asio-apps-midi-2-a.html

I didn’t dismiss anything. I asked about it coming out soon, which has been happening for at least ten years.

 

[sintil8]

I didn’t dismiss anything. I asked about it coming out soon, which has been happening for at least ten years.

I think the bottleneck is with the release of the hardware and software dev?

New MIDI 2.0 Products Released-November, 2023

In the past few weeks, a number of MIDI Association member companies have released MIDI 2.0 products. In this article, we'll give a brief overview of those new MIDI 2.0 products, describe what their MIDI [...]

midi.org

VP has a pretty good take from what has been said on the timescales, but if Presonus SO1 is in for the long game, it is something that others are moving on with NOW. Does that make sense. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page on the link there is a small section of DAWS already in place.

That's about all I can offer, I'm still reading a lot of this stuff myself.
Hope that makes things clearer.

Best of regards

 

[Davey]

The sad truth is that, whilst MIDI 2 promises lots of good stuff, manufacturers will pick and choose which bits of the spec to implement and many will go for the minimum amount of work just to be able to put a MIDI 2 sticker on a product. In the same way that VST3 and CLAP plugins can potentially do so much more than VST2 but many of them don't and, in fact, quite a few of them are just a VST2 running in a wrapper.

So I'm expecting a slow evolution rather than a revolution!

 

[sintil8]

The sad truth is that, whilst MIDI 2 promises lots of good stuff, manufacturers will pick and choose which bits of the spec to implement and many will go for the minimum amount of work just to be able to put a MIDI 2 sticker on a product. In the same way that VST3 and CLAP plugins can potentially do so much more than VST2 but many of them don't and, in fact, quite a few of them are just a VST2 running in a wrapper.

So I'm expecting a slow evolution rather than a revolution!

Yes, sad as it is in reality. We all live with a chunk of that. I think we have debated this elswhere and it proved little if I racall?
Please excuse from here on in and I will refrain from further comment.

best and kindest regards.

 

[TimC340]

Yeah, and that hard work is about to pay off. If you want to read about it in detail written by the actual Microsoft employee who works on that team as opposed to vaguely dismissing it in your mind, here ya go:

https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1436920-making-music-windows-arm-asio-apps-midi-2-a.html

I read that entire thread and, while it's an extremely interesting inside view of developments of Windows on Arm and its relevance to music production on Windows laptops, it has nothing significant about MIDI 2.0. Is that the link you meant to post?

 

[MisterE]

I read that entire thread and, while it's an extremely interesting inside view of developments of Windows on Arm and its relevance to music production on Windows laptops, it has nothing significant about MIDI 2.0. Is that the link you meant to post?

The relevance is that the guy who started that thread, Psychlist1972, is an actual Microsoft employee who works on a Microsoft team charged with everything in the thread title (including MIDI 2) and freely shares a lot of it on Gearspace. If Gearspace is new to you, it's where a lot of heavy hitters in the PC music world (Mac, too) congregate and provides way deeper immersion into PC nuts and bolts than we find on this site. There are undoubtedly more posts about MIDI 2 where Psychlist1972 also contributes but might be mixed in with other stuff. Search on his name or just cruise some of the really long-running threads on that Music and Computers forum and you'll come across it. I can't search around right this second, but I'll poke around in the next day or so and see if I can't find some more relevant MIDI 2 posts.

Also, I could be wrong, but I think the thread I linked to not only talks about ARM chips on laptops but they're coming for Windows desktops too.