No Longer Possible to Drag Individual Sends in Mixer Channel?

[js1]

If that video is on the web I would be interested in seeing it, any chance you have a link you could post please?

kindest regards

I'm not sure that this was the video that I originally saw, but it's mentioned here:

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I've queued it up to where the sends are discussed.

 

[lokeyfly]

I tend to think it wasn't the programmers making a judgement call, but an oversight. If it was a judgement call, I don't understand the logic of why an update would create an unnecessary limitation that didn't exist in previous versions. This is especially true because if the goal was to simplify using mixer sends, it was already simple because what it does now was the default in previous versions.

Quite an oversight. I agree this wouldnt be a judgement call. If so, that' would be scary.

Being able to move Sends around was something you could do if you wanted, but you had to do it explicitly. A novice user wouldn't run into it and get confused.

Absolutely. I move, copy and reconfigure order of sends often. Even along the same bus, for something as simple as preferred visibility, While I dont have v8 (my preferred name going forward), I'd be curious Craig, how older track presets come in, and can their effect insert/sends adjust or not as well.

Adda boy catch.

Fendonus did a pass for this release to "clean up" interface and terminology issues. This change was intentional (I saw it featured in a video). More surprises await!

Ah, the plot thickens. Could this be one-page manual syndrome? I will borrow "Fendonus" from time to time. In the mean time, the formal response will be interesting if not telling.

.... And from a personal standpoint, this kind of feature removal makes revising books excruciating, because I now have to track down and modify every text and screen shot that reflects the original behavior in 950+ pages.

Screenshot wise, that was going to happen anyhow with this new release my friend. Text wise, yeah, that's plenty of searches to ensure your books accuracy. I only hope Fendonus further implement you as an asset for both cataloging features as well as beta testing, Craig. A little less of their bowing to Fender, and a little more Mixing 101, would be an initial improvement over there. People pay for this stuff. More importantly, they need those functions to last longer or be optionally available. Best towards your next book release!

Just a thought, I wonder if this could be adjusted from the mixer channel list? I'm admittedly prodding. In any case, the feature should have remained flexible.

 

[sintil8]

I'm not sure that this was the video that I originally saw, but it's mentioned here:

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I've queued it up to where the sends are discussed.

Thank you, I was expecting someone directly linked to Fender or Presonus a kind of the horses mouth type statement.
It's a good in depth insight tho' so all regards to J Lipsham for that.

Kindest regards for getting back tho'

 

[sintil8]

Quite an oversight. I agree this wouldnt be a judgement call. If so, that' would be scary.

Lokeyfly,
This was pre 8

Now with Ver 8 if you move just one of the Insert/send dividers they all snap together and are thereafter locked in symetry.
This...

There is also a hand symbol that appears as you hover over the insert or send header lable, if you mouse click, all of the inserts or sends are selected and you can then past to any other channel. No selection keypress needed to copy and paste.

Just a thought, I wonder if this could be adjusted from the mixer channel list? I'm admittedly prodding. In any case, the feature should have remained flexible.

Can I ask if you could pad out what you are adjusting in the mixer channel list ie., what does the "if this"refer to?
My mind is suffering from input overload, I was just starting to get to grips with finding my way around SO1, 7. and Ver 8 dropped.
Please excuse my lack of comprehension and lack of understanding.

Kindest of regards as always

 

[Sombreuil]

I understand the frustration, but for me Studio One has always been about its streamlined UI, where you're taken by the hand with "limited" options.
It's probably for the better for the average user, but for people with lots of sends, I can see why it's such a bad choice.

 

[Craig Anderton]

It's probably for the better for the average user,

But...but...it WAS that way for the average user pre-V8. It was the default. You had to explicitly use a keyboard shortcut to alter the position of a send.

 

[Sombreuil]

But...but...it WAS that way for the average user pre-V8. It was the default. You had to explicitly use a keyboard shortcut to alter the position of a send.

Yes I know and I'm not really saying that I fully agree with that change. Assuming they did that on purpose though, I imagine they want new users not to mess the UI up by randomly pressing a keyboard shortcut.

To give you an example, not too long ago on r/StudioOne someone thought their session had a visual glitch. Guess what? It simply was the scratch pad and as you can imagine, they had no idea that feature even existed.

 

[sintil8]

I have been examining my position toward V8 and prior versions regarding what Craig has highlighted "as a change" and at this time I prefer the way V8 is running.

Main reason...
I am using an Ultrawide monitor and by setting the send section hight to expose used sends makes the viewing of occupied sends slots relatively straightforward. So for me this V8 works and I find it easy to use and comfortable to scan. If I change my mind I will revisit this.

Best regards to all.

 

[BobF]

I also prefer the FSP8 way with sends. AFAIR, Craig is the only strong voice against I've ever heard. I do wish it had been left as an option.

 

[sintil8]

I also prefer the FSP8 way with sends. AFAIR, Craig is the only strong voice against I've ever heard. I do wish it had been left as an option.

If this diversion in use is such an important feature that folk do not want, then the option to stay with ver 7 is still there and there is no need for Craig to proof read and rewrite his book.

Kindest of regards

 

[lokeyfly]

Lokeyfly,
This was pre 8
View attachment 2819

Now with Ver 8 if you move just one of the Insert/send dividers they all snap together and are thereafter locked in symetry.
This...View attachment 2820

There is also a hand symbol that appears as you hover over the insert or send header lable, if you mouse click, all of the inserts or sends are selected and you can then past to any other channel. No selection keypress needed to copy and paste.



Can I ask if you could pad out what you are adjusting in the mixer channel list ie., what does the "if this"refer to?
My mind is suffering from input overload, I was just starting to get to grips with finding my way around SO1, 7. and Ver 8 dropped.

As far as misalignment, I simply double click any of the border an any channel. All send borders will align. Thats always been available. I was concerned more towards being able to prioritize plugins by repositioning them.

Please excuse my lack of comprehension and lack of understanding.

Kindest of regards as always

NP!
Since I dont have 8, I'll hold off on these posts. I dont want to place a stick in the spokes. Fact is, I'm not pulling the trigger on 8, so using words like concerned were not the best use of adjectives. ; )

 

[sintil8]

As far as misalignment, I simply double click any of the border an any channel. All send borders will align. Thats always been available. I was concerned more towards being able to prioritize plugins by repositioning them.

NP!
Since I dont have 8, I'll hold off on these posts. I dont want to place a stick in the spokes. Fact is, I'm not pulling the trigger on 8, so using words like concerned were not the best use of adjectives. ; )

Lokeyfly,
I responded to Craig's OP just to confirm I was seeing what he had discovered, but as usual these conversations drift, no problem it's folk working through stuff. It helped me clarify my position and I thank Craig for that.

With the new layout you are presented with a much larger channel inserts strip in the new bottom window, I can pretty much ignore the vertical
Channel info and leave a level meter as the first insert. With the bottom window showing inserts in an easy to read form, which also allows for positioning the inserts anywhere in the chain. I see that as a win.

The "Double click on any border", horizontal alignment of V7 with the varying ins/send bar, V8 has made that a moot subject, unless the devs decide to deprecate it and go back to how things were.

Lokey, just because you don't have 8, there's no need to hold off. Your opinions and thoughts are always welcome.
Putting all of the politics to one side, it is just a piece of software and the guys behind it are still there.
Anyway I might be having a senior moment so I will stop rambling on.

Kindest regards

 

[lokeyfly]

Lokeyfly,
......With the new layout you are presented with a much larger channel inserts strip in the new bottom window, I can pretty much ignore the vertical
Channel info and leave a level meter as the first insert. With the bottom window showing inserts in an easy to read form, which also allows for positioning the inserts anywhere in the chain. I see that as a win.

Cool. Only, its all swahilli to me. : )

The "Double click on any border", horizontal alignment of V7 with the varying ins/send bar, V8 has made that a moot subject, unless the devs decide to deprecate it and go back to how things were.

Yeah, that's where I decided to bow out. I was really intending to follow the subject "No longer possible to drag individual sends in mixer channel." That conversation got a little spread out, before me.

Lokey, just because you don't have 8, there's no need to hold off. Your opinions and thoughts are always welcome.

TY

Putting all of the politics to one side, it is just a piece of software and the guys behind it are still there.

Hmmmm. I'll reserve that thought. ; )

Anyway I might be having a senior moment so I will stop rambling on.

Kindest regards

You're always welcome in this camp, Sint.
I am fine going forward with the tools of the trade. I've always held to being able to eventually ride off with my own plugins over my shoulder. What I see for Presonus was a missed opportunity. And some slight of hand on failed promises. That being a number of people. That also being too many significant "misses" towards needed DAW essentials.
Instead (and as usual) they've provided a rehash of the same thing. I have other tools to invest in. Mainly video creation. For my needs, the audio DAW aspects are covered with "Studio One" for a few years out. I'm all good, my bruh!

 

[sintil8]

Cool. Only, its all swahilli to me. : )

Yeah, that's where I decided to bow out. This way the lines of communication are uninterrupted.

TY

Hmmmm. I'll reserve that thought. ; )

You're always welcome in this camp, Sint.
I am fine going forward with the tools of the trade. I've always held to being able to eventually ride off with my own plugins over my shoulder. What I see for Presonus was a missed opportunity. And some slight of hand on failed promises. That being a number of people. That also being too many significant "misses" towards needed DAW essentials.
Instead (and as usual) they've provided a rehash of the same thing. I have other tools to invest in. Mainly video creation. For my needs, the audio DAW aspects are covered with "Studio One" for a few years out. I'm all good, my bruh!

I'm outta this thread, take care.

Kindest regards