Launcher: “Record Selected Cells” stops other cells, but cell Record button does not (S1 7.2.3)

[Crossinger]

At least there is hope: it wouldn’t be the first time that Presonus comes to its senses and gives a feature another usability update with additional functionality.

 

[lokeyfly]

Thank you for the various comments. They are genuinely appreciated. It is refreshing to hear that others share with me a sense of frustration.


Studio One earned its reputation on:

• predictability
• consistency
• “it does what it says on the tin”

This version of the Launcher breaks that contract in a subtle but important way. The irony is that Studio One didn't need the Launcher.

Sorry for the delayed response. In short, I used to feel the same way, but as of last year, I'd say that the launcher is becoming a thing with several other DAW's now outside of Live and Bitwig. I've come around to the launcher as a constructive tool (at times) particularly exploring more ambient pieces so I think its time has come. Obviously for some, who can benefit from it. The problem is Studio One made a nice attempt at keeping clips in-line with tracks. A very cool way of keeping our brain in check. What's tragic is the launcher is quite crippled as far as capability. We had a great discussion here in this forum and Lukas took the baton to relay to development. Awesome! With that, there's no pressure as this is by no means a guarantee that all points would be implemented. It was a collective conversation and yes we provided Ableton Live and Bitwig as examples. Even the randomization of Stepic. So it's great that some representation is going forward. Lukas as in his videos, is thorough so I feel quite good that there are some launcher building blocks that may find their way into the next major release. We also stressed that there should be a lot more additions. Not kiddie crack (simple gimmicky ideas that look great on promo vids, but are terrible in real world use). So let's see.

It was (and in many ways, still is) a solid DAW. Chasing competitors but failing to deliver is a strategic misstep.

agreed.True, true, developments dont end with just the launcher. I'd like to see a variable velocity/trigger level gauge on each instrument track. Not that silly orange on/off indicator. Also Loop markers that when reversed skip the playhead such as in Logic, Cubase and most every major sequencer since the late 80's has done.

Personally, I don't have any sense of deep loyalty towards Studio One. I've just downloaded the trial version of Abeton Live 12 and if it does what I need, I'm ready to jump shship.

Well, you're likely young enough to go after what DAW you want. I've been that route, and have tried most every major DAW. They all have their strengths and a few weaknesses, but I'm quite happy with Studio One. It has delivered for me and I'm writing music very comfortably around its present UI. New releases for me are more of a curiosity than necessity for me anyway, so (as we all will do) we'll just have to wait and see.
But I think the launcher is a worthy addition if it can actually get off of the ground with some chutzpa!.
Cheers, and I hope it all works out for everyone.

 

[Vocalpoint]

I'm quite happy with Studio One. It has delivered for me and I'm writing music very comfortably around its present UI. New releases for me are more of a curiosity than necessity for me anyway, so (as we all will do) we'll just have to wait and see.

As am I.

My biggest frustration with it - is being inside it's awesome grasp and knowing deep down inside just how much better it could be with some really deep TLC.

And I am not even talking about redoing the UI or anything big like that - I am talking about taking all the great things (and some not so great like the Launcher) already there - and tricking them up to the next level.

Wouldn't even need a bunch of "whiz bang" new features - just a real good refresh, polish and long over due fit and finish where needed.

VP

 

[lokeyfly]

As am I.

My biggest frustration with it - is being inside it's awesome grasp and knowing deep down inside just how much better it could be with some really deep TLC.

And I am not even talking about redoing the UI or anything big like that - I am talking about taking all the great things (and some not so great like the Launcher) already there - and tricking them up to the next level.

Wouldn't even need a bunch of "whiz bang" new features - just a real good refresh, polish and long over due fit and finish where needed.

VP

We kneel at the same alter, Veeps!

 

[sintil8]

The best use I have been making so far is in conjunction with the "Arranger View" and flipping, backwards and forwards with variations around themes and motifs.
I now have a batch of half finished things that in the main window resemble a patchwork quilt full of gaps.
If left in it's present form that's the best I can come up with at the mo', it's become bit of a cul-de-sac.

I'm all for "tricking up" a number of area's so book me a seat on the bus.

Ragards to all

 

[Studio2]

Thank you once more for the comments. There have been a series of posts related to what I wrote and I think I owe this forum a few words of clarification.

* The “distraction” statement.
I tried to encapsulate in a single phrase something that I should have explained better. Apologies for that. Let me try to clarify what I actually meant.

I don’t know how the Fender/PreSonus/Studio One Dev Team operates and I have no factual information on the matter. What I do have is my experience as a software developer, manager and as someone who has worked in and for large companies. Of course, I also have my experience as a PreSonus customer.

The way Launcher was released and the way PreSonus support responded to me sent a signal - at least to me. To clarify: I’m speaking only for myself, not for others. I don’t intend to publicly share what this 'signal' was, for two reasons: 1. PreSonus is a large company, and I am not. I don’t have the time, resources, or interest in starting a potential conflict with them. 2. I don’t believe anyone would benefit from it. In this context, it would simply be a “distraction”.

* Studio One vs Ableton Live
Personally, I think both are good products, but neither is a perfect fit for everything under the sun. They both have their strength and their weaknesses.

I don’t plan to uninstall Studio One from my computer. I have a valid license that I paid for, and I’ll keep using it for specific tasks. Like standard notation, for example, or to open projects I created with S1.

However, what emerged from my latest interactions with S1/PreSonus, led me to look elsewhere. If the Launcher had worked and if Customer Support had responded differently, I wouldn’t have installed the trial version of Live 12. I used Live in the past and I tried Live 12 for a few days and I like it, and it's possible I’ll stop paying for updates to S1 and redirect my resources towards Live. I’m not suggesting that others should or shouldn’t do what I did. It is just something I'm considering and, in any case, it is very much a personal decision.

(...) Well, you're likely young enough to go after what DAW you want.(...)

1. What does age have to do with anything?
2. I made no assumptions about you, and I trust you’ll extend the same courtesy to me.
3. I’m not young.

 

[lokeyfly]

* The “distraction” statement.
I tried to encapsulate in a single phrase something that I should have explained better. Apologies for that. Let me try to clarify what I actually meant.

I don’t know how the Fender/PreSonus/Studio One Dev Team operates and I have no factual information on the matter. What I do have is my experience as a software developer, manager and as someone who has worked in and for large companies. Of course, I also have my experience as a PreSonus customer.

The way Launcher was released and the way PreSonus support responded to me sent a signal - at least to me. To clarify: I’m speaking only for myself, not for others. I don’t intend to publicly share what this 'signal' was, for two reasons: 1. PreSonus is a large company, and I am not. I don’t have the time, resources, or interest in starting a potential conflict with them. 2. I don’t believe anyone would benefit from it. In this context, it would simply be a “distraction”.

No problem and all good. This not being a Presonus forum allows for candid conversation, and quite honestly, Presonus own forum (now gone) was pretty flexible on views. However, I do understand your position to not make whatever concerns you have out in the open. Some here encounter similar feedback, only it doesn't help the discussion at large if we dont know what transpired.

* Studio One vs Ableton Live
Personally, I think both are good products, but neither is a perfect fit for everything under the sun. They both have their strength and their weaknesses.

Agreed, and also mentioned elsewhere here. I get your clarifying though. Thx.

I don’t plan to uninstall Studio One from my computer. I have a valid license that I paid for, and I’ll keep using it for specific tasks. Like standard notation, for example, or to open projects I created with S1.

However, what emerged from my latest interactions with S1/PreSonus, led me to look elsewhere. If the Launcher had worked and if Customer Support had responded differently, I wouldn’t have installed the trial version of Live 12. I used Live in the past and I tried Live 12 for a few days and I like it, and it's possible I’ll stop paying for updates to S1 and redirect my resources towards Live. I’m not suggesting that others should or shouldn’t do what I did. It is just something I'm considering and, in any case, it is very much a personal decision.

Indeed.

1. What does age have to do with anything?
2. I made no assumptions about you, and I trust you’ll extend the same courtesy to me.
3. I’m not yoyoung.1.

1. Well, I did say "probably young" or words to that effect. Its often a perspective when someone tends to drive going to another piece of software. There was surely no intent to upset you, but since I evidently did, I apologize.
2. Covered.
3. Cool. I just remember stating "probably".
As it stands, go for Live for what advantages you can obtain from its clip launcher or whatever else it does for you. That's also been stated here.
Enjoy whatever it is you're going to use.
I'd say you've received more support for your not being too impressed by Studio One's Launcher, than any disagreements here.
Take care.

 

[sintil8]

@lokeyfly
It will be an interesting if the Launcher moves forward, re- the well laid out suggestions in the other thread. Maybe SO1 may adopt a totally different aproach ?

As an aside.
I also use Bitwig, their allowing Midi inserts is killer and the Launcher/loop slots and midi implementation is very flexible if you use lots of midi
and CV., but IMHO Bitwig also has it's limitations.
They have an open Beta/subscrition modal run in conjunction with point releases. They encounter and require Bug fixes etc., so upgrading is an on off situation and jumping a few iterations is not a problem.

However I use SO1 as my main music environment, what more can be said, we adapt and move on.

Best of regards.

 

[lokeyfly]

@lokeyfly
It will be an interesting if the Launcher moves forward, re- the well laid out suggestions in the other thread. Maybe SO1 may adopt a totally different aproach ?

My guess fwiw, is judging by the good many here included in this forum, people are not going to be so easily swayed to jump on the next major version. Whatever its called, because even that is becoming skewed. If there are just a few improvements to the launcher, and not the real meat and potatoes that should be there, I'm not buying in. I'll simply use S1 for its many assets as-is. I dont think I'll be alone.

As an aside.
I also use Bitwig, their allowing Midi inserts is killer and the Launcher/loop slots and midi implementation is very flexible if you use lots of midi
and CV., but IMHO Bitwig also has it's limitations.
They have an open Beta/subscrition modal run in conjunction with point releases. They encounter and require Bug fixes etc., so upgrading is an on off situation and jumping a few iterations is not a problem.

Bitwig looks to be great in many respects. Particularly for keyboardists, EDM and the like. Things like multiple layers for audio and MIDI editing, LFO and modulation control, and its far better launcher make Bitwig attractive to many. For me, I'm not getting younger, and I'm able to fly around in Studio One which makes it attractive. I think others are as well. Do we need another sub-par sample player? There, I said it. The sounds in those three instruments are just awful. Subjective? I dont believe so, but if the consensus to many are that those sounds are fine, then that also signals in the climate of new Studio One positioning, and I won't have any part of it.

In contrast to Bitwig, Studio One with its Project Page has a huge benefit for those rolling up larger projects, albums, etc.

However I use SO1 as my main music environment, what more can be said, we adapt and move on.

Best of regards.

Exactly. Let's see if Studio One takes a genuine position on fixes, ramps up a full fledged launcher, no little sample player toys, implements randomization in a smart and non convoluted way and just leave it at that.
I'd be thrilled if they did.
Peace, and good speak, brother!