Interesting read on long term potential of Native Instruments v2 FW Integration into Studio Pro

[Vocalpoint]

For anyone even remotely interested in the frustrating wait for Fender to implement the Native Instruments v2 FW integration into Studio Pro - I found a great little tidbit buried on the NI Forums - written back in early September by one of the few users that have attained "Legend" status on the NI forums.

He and I chat from time to time on various things. Not sure how I missed this - but in this post - he specifically mentions Studio Pro - and the likelihood of "us" (FSP) ever getting this integration:

My take - from his chair - he does not see a lot of utility in us getting this integration - given the current state of Studio Pro.

Which - when I really think about Remote Control capability (or lack thereof) - logically it starts to make complete sense why this integration has never arrived.

When compared with Bitwig, Cubase and Ableton - it appears that our little DAW is simply not a candidate for making this FW a reality until Fender decides to really overhaul the hardware control area and bring it in line with the rest of the players above.

Which is probably something that is not:

1. Easy
2. On the current development plan for the foreseeable future - due to other priorities.
3. The kind of sizzle Fender is currently selling to the masses - judging by the last year of updates - since the launch of FSP v8

All one can do is wait this out and see if either NI takes up the task with a "better" Komplete Kontrol or Fender makes some moves

Or - shorter term (much shorter) - look to one of the other options listed above.

VP

 

[Jens]

I never really understood the discussion. NI sells an expensive new keyboard and gets all the money and Fender has to pay their developers to support its advanced capabilities.

I also don't fully understand the embedded posting. He first writes "This is not the fault of NI" but then writes "If NI can come up with a lighter and more user friendly solution based on MIDI 2...".

So it looks like the development effort is substantial for any DAW with an architecture not specifically designed for this purpose like Bitwig. Fender choose not to support it or the proprietary standard Komplete Control. But they do support plenty of "open" standards: MIDI 1/2, VST 2/3, ARA 1/2, MPE, CLAP etc. They may arrive a bit late but they do eventually.

 

[Vocalpoint]

I never really understood the discussion. NI sells an expensive new keyboard and gets all the money and Fender has to pay their developers to support its advanced capabilities.

Or they don't. They simply ignore it and leave it - as is the case today.

Users can either accept that - or maybe not. Only time will tell how important this is to some folks.

VP

 

[lokeyfly]

For anyone even remotely interested in the frustrating wait for Fender to implement the Native Instruments v2 FW integration into Studio Pro - I found a great little tidbit buried on the NI Forums - written back in early September by one of the few users that have attained "Legend" status on the NI forums.

That's why Fender pay you the big bucks. Keep scouting down the NI path, and thanks for reporting back!
Pssst, keep your head down.....

 

[Vocalpoint]

That's why Fender pay you the big bucks.

Ha! Now that makes me smile...

VP

 

[tulamide]

e and I chat from time to time on various things. Not sure how I missed this - but in this post - he specifically mentions Studio Pro - and the likelihood of "us" (FSP) ever getting this integration:

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Ok, where are you taking this from? I see "Fender Studio", which is a different app, that you can download for free in the Microsoft Store

 

[TimC340]

I know we've had some conversations about this in the past, but in reality I've given up caring. I don't use my S88 to control the DAW except at a very basic level - in fact, I'd rather it simply got out of the way. I find its recent behaviour of defaulting to DAW control mode when the two are connected to be obstructive and annoying! I have a perfectly good DAW controller sitting a few inches above it which does far more than the S88 will ever do in this context, and the S88 should just get on and do what it does best, which is controlling Kontakt and KK. I'd quite like it if it could do as good a job with Arturia's stuff, but that's probably asking a bit much!

OTOH, I have been quite impressed with what I've seen of Bitwig!

 

[Vocalpoint]

Ok, where are you taking this from? I see "Fender Studio", which is a different app, that you can download for free in the Microsoft Store

Yeah - pretty sure that's just forgetting to add "Pro" to the end of the app name. No one over there ever talks up Fender Studio.

Matter of fact - no one over there even knows what "Fender Studio" is.

And even if they did - you cannot add complicated hardware or something like Komplete Kontrol to that Fisher Price thing anyway.

VP

 

[Vocalpoint]

I know we've had some conversations about this in the past, but in reality I've given up caring.

So have I.

VP

 

[MisterE]

Seems like offering a line of keyboard controllers from the company that gave the world the Rhodes would be a natural for Fender, more so than software or recording interfaces.

I'm also keeping an eye on Morningdaw, which seems to be charging out of the gate, AI vibe-coded or not, because the developers have longstanding ties to Bitwig and apparently are able to cherry pick the best from every DAW for theirs with a greatly reduced development cycle. So maybe your KK mkIII boards will come to life in their brave new world. I haven't dove in deep enough yet to recommend it or not, other than noting it does look and feel surprisingly promising.

Might be just the answer for S1/FSP/Cubase users upset that longstanding bugs are never squashed or are limited by ancient (Cubase) code or even middle-aged code like what's cramped your KK mkIIIs (And Arturia Keylab mkIIIs every bit as much).

 

[lokeyfly]

Yeah - pretty sure that's just forgetting to add "Pro" to the end of the app name. No one over there ever talks up Fender Studio.

Matter of fact - no one over there even knows what "Fender Studio" is.

And even if they did - you cannot add complicated hardware or something like Komplete Kontrol to that Fisher Price thing anyway.

VP

Wouldn't it be a real kick in the A## if FSP get up to speed on everything Komplete Kontrol, and S Series MkIII. Then, Gregor comes on with "Hi Guy's, finally, theres full compatability with everything NI ......when you have Fender Studio Pro Plus, only."

Pow! #&%&@^@, Bam! =&÷^@×, Ouch! $&$^=&÷:!, Hurt! #&$^÷^×^=, Crunch! @&$^$^÷&=^, Help! &@^÷_×^$!!!!, Yikes! &@^$&=^#^!

 

[TimC340]

Seems like offering a line of keyboard controllers from the company that gave the world the Rhodes would be a natural for Fender, more so than software or recording interfaces.

I'm also keeping an eye on Morningdaw, which seems to be charging out of the gate, AI vibe-coded or not, because the developers have longstanding ties to Bitwig and apparently are able to cherry pick the best from every DAW for theirs with a greatly reduced development cycle. So maybe your KK mkIII boards will come to life in their brave new world. I haven't dove in deep enough yet to recommend it or not, other than noting it does look and feel surprisingly promising.

Might be just the answer for S1/FSP/Cubase users upset that longstanding bugs are never squashed or are limited by ancient (Cubase) code or even middle-aged code like what's cramped your KK mkIIIs (And Arturia Keylab mkIIIs every bit as much).

Actually, Harold Rhodes gave us the Rhodes Piano. Like PreSonus, his company was then taken over by Fender (who were taken over by CBS at about the same time!).

MorningDAW does look promising. But almost all software is now coded by AI - the only real difference between ‘vibe coders’ and the big software houses is that the big guys have robust (but still AI-driven) quality control. Most of the coders I know or read about haven’t written a line of code themselves for over a year now. I have no doubt that PreSonus, Steinberg, Avid and all the others are on board and busily working out how they can shorten their development cycles.