Critique Track Button (AI Feature)

[OneBass]

I'm really looking forward to (one day) a “Critique” button available on each recorded track that when clicked would bring up a local AI chat window that might say something like:

"Hey OneBass, I reviewed your bass recording as requested. I think the intro, bridge and outro are fine but the verses are a little on the skinny side and I think you are playing the choruses too busy. I produced a tablature in the style of Paul McCartney for your song that you might find useful. I just sent it to you, it's in your inbox. If you don’t like this tab, use the pull-down menu and select a different bassist such as Jamie Jamerson and I’ll update the tab and resend.

And by the way, you should re-tune your D string, it’s a tad sharp.

Keep up the good work, you’ve come a long way in the past 6 months "

Some may think this is Sci-Fi, but AI may already be at a state where this could be possible today.

 

[ianaeillo]

Dreadful

 

[SwitchBack]

Dreadful

Don't worry. You won't even notice until it's too late, muahhaha! AI, the modern-day bogeyman

 

[Crossinger]

Except for the „one button click solution” this is already possible:

𝕿𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖘𝖈𝖊𝖓𝖉𝖆𝖓𝖙 (@transcendantband) on Threads

Google Gemini Experimental Model 1206 can listen and critique your music. Just upload an MP3 and ask it to conduct a comprehensive evaluation. It’s fascinating what it comes up with.

www.threads.com

 

[lokeyfly]

OneBass wrote: "I'm really looking forward to (one day) a “Critique” button available on each recorded track that when clicked would bring up a local AI chat window...."

Bless us and save us.
No disrespect, but FWIW, you can build on a few tracks, place it in the Made in Studio One forum here, and get actual (think of it) humans to critique how your tracks sound. Just note that the song is in work. You'll get honest and good advice that is far more representative of Studio One, your material gain structure, EQ, etc. Many also add a "keep up the good work" kudos, as well.

JMO: Unfortunately we as human beings are becoming far too isolated upon each other, and dependent to have technology ensure we're driving in our lane. Yes, there is a learning curve, but I prefer to think of it as passionate clocking in on the time card, called "life". When doing so, you'll find the results so much more rewarding. Look up, and see us waiving......ehm.... over here.
"Hi OneBass! We're here to assist". ....and we're human, which is a far, far greater thing.
Just my unassisted, non AI, two cents.

 

[OneBass]

Dreadful

Interesting response.
Is this based on a fear of the future?

 

[OneBass]

Except for the „one button click solution” this is already possible:

𝕿𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖘𝖈𝖊𝖓𝖉𝖆𝖓𝖙 (@transcendantband) on Threads

Google Gemini Experimental Model 1206 can listen and critique your music. Just upload an MP3 and ask it to conduct a comprehensive evaluation. It’s fascinating what it comes up with.

www.threads.com

Thanks Crossinger, I wasn't aware that anyone has/is working on this. Based on my tiny investigation so far, it appears that Google's bot will deliver statements like "This song has potential, with a little more effort it may really shine" and the like; not the most useful to me. My main desire is for a specific bass tab to be generated for the song in question. For sure, a team somewhere will eventually develop such a tool and it won't be limited to just bass guitar.

As a happy S1 user I'm hoping PreSonus will be the first to embed it in a DAW. What a game changer that would be . . . your personal music coach able to produce quality transcriptions on-demand 24/7/365.

On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from New York to Paris
--Donald Fagen

 

[Crossinger]

It heavily depends on your prompt (as usual). If you enter a simple “please rate…” then you’ll get the results you mentioned.

I didn’t use an English prompt for my tests, but (based on suggestions I read elsewhere) I started with something like this:

Please give a comprehensive rating of this song with the title "[Song Title]". Rate all aspects of the song on a scale of 1 to 100 with an accuracy of 1 and give a total score. Be very detailed in your explanations. Compare the song in your reviews with any professional hit songs you're familiar with. So a score of 100 means it's the best piece you've ever heard, and a zero is the border between amateur and professional. A theoretical negative score would be achieved by an amateur band. Write from the perspective of an extremely experienced music producer like Rick Rubin.

 

[Sombreuil]

I believe there is already a feature for that, it's called "export and ask people around you".

 

[apessino]

I believe there is already a feature for that, it's called "export and ask people around you".

Yeah, but they probably won't be able to make you a "tablature in the style of Paul McCartney for your song."

 

[lokeyfly]

Yeah, but they probably won't be able to make you a "tablature in the style of Paul McCartney for your song."

Seriously, I was thinking of Paul McCartney, then Jaco, and so on. How does AI interpret the quality of such very different, yet brilliant artists. No one needn't answer of course, but that was my thoughts.

Respectfully, the OP is asking and in his later response mentioned is hoping for that AI "track button" in Studio One. That's fair, I'll guess. I'll leave the subject alone with respect to the forum guidelines and the OP genuinely asking. I wouldnt want side track the request, but I simply do not even see the timing benefit, let alone, key choices or slides some creative bass player might create such as a Victor Wooten, Tony Levin, Marcus Miller, etc. How would AI interpret a green or red light? I guess there is some algorithmic determination (as that is all AI is) that would deem some performance quantifiably good. Sort of like a pseudo wine taster aboard the starship Enterprise. I'm not sure, but I'm sort of melting....

 

[OneBass]

Seriously, I was thinking of Paul McCartney, then Jaco, and so on. How does AI interpret the quality of such very different, yet brilliant artists. No one needn't answer of course, but that was my thoughts.

Lokefly, the best way I can answer your questions/skepticisms regarding AI is to point to accomplishments already made.
Hopefully it can help with the melt.

• AI-powered composition tools can generate original songs
• AI is currently assisting in early disease detection and analyzing medical images on par with human radiologists
• AI-powered traffic management systems and self-driving cars are being deployed
• AI is being used in fraud detection and to identify cyber threats
• AI models are helping scientists understand and predict climate change patterns
• AI has contributed to ground-breaking advances in protein folding and drug discovery
• The list goes on and on and on . . .

And AI (as most people know it) is not even 10 years old and as far as I know, has not yet achieved super-intelligence; but it will.

There will not be any area of human interest that AI will not significantly contribute to. And in many areas it will surpass human capability in those areas much like a modern bulldozer and its operator can move far more dirt than any human can.

Generating quality bass tabs will be a walk in the park for a properly trained AI. Likewise for distinguishing between the many brilliant musicians.

This site may be useful.

What Is an Artificial Neural Network, and Why Does It Matter for AI?

Explore what artificial neural networks are and why they are a key component of artificial intelligence.

www.coursera.org

 

[lokeyfly]

I guess I asked for that.

 

[OneBass]

I guess I asked for that.

Hey man, all is well.

AI happens to be one of my many interests but I'm not a fanatic about it. As a matter of fact, one of my "boundaries" for mankind is to not let this technology become sentient; not even in the lab. If we do, all I see is trouble ahead. But I do see value in an AI-enabled bass tab generator and if PreSonus crosses that finish line first, so much the better.

 

[ianaeillo]

Don't worry. You won't even notice until it's too late, muahhaha! AI, the modern-day bogeyman

I'm sure I won't notice until it's too late. And that's fine.

 

[ianaeillo]

Interesting response.
Is this based on a fear of the future?

This is based in not having any desire for the software developers to spend any time working on how to make some F-C-Am-G song sound like Paul McCartney.

 

[lokeyfly]

This is based in not having any desire for the software developers to spend any time working on how to make some F-C-Am-G song sound like Paul McCartney.

Yes Sir!

"Stuck inside these four walls
Sent inside forever
Never seeing no one
Nice again like you...."
Paul McCartney & Wings, 1973 (Band on the Run).

 

[OneBass]

This is based in not having any desire for the software developers to spend any time working on how to make some F-C-Am-G song sound like Paul McCartney.

Understood. But obviously I disagree.

The good news is that Google has taken some good first steps (see Crossinger's post above).
And look at the great AI strides PreSonus has made with the Stem Separator.
Somebody will accomplish my request, it's just a matter of who and when.

 

[lokeyfly]

I'm really looking forward to (one day) a “Critique” button available on each recorded track that when clicked would bring up a local AI chat window that might say something like:

"Hey OneBass, I reviewed your bass recording as requested. I think the intro, bridge and outro are fine but the verses are a little on the skinny side and I think you are playing the choruses too busy. I produced a tablature in the style of Paul McCartney for your song that you might find useful. I just sent it to you, it's in your inbox. If you don’t like this tab, use the pull-down menu and select a different bassist such as Jamie Jamerson and I’ll update the tab and resend.

And by the way, you should re-tune your D string, it’s a tad sharp.

Keep up the good work, you’ve come a long way in the past 6 months "

Lets take it back a notch, OneBass. Of course we appreciate your optimism, and that with perseverance is what success is always based on.

What I would ask you to grasp on to, as much as you're insisting your request is inevitable is, a lot of creative people using a DAW want to often find middle ground with AI. Some hopeful things of course might be to make life easier such as modifiers with setting gain, possibly creating ambient space settings, and even as you suggest, having a partner fill in as an accompanying bass, or other instrument. Where you may find a little resistance with us about your suggestion (granted, we know nothing of your background or determination to produce any kind of effort or work) is that this isn't all "sci-fi". There are break-thru's of course, but suggesting upon your creating a track that AI .... uhem... points out filling in with a Paul McCartney track to try, seems to fill in your amusement, more than what can be lengthy conversations many of us DAW users often speak about, when we insist a DAW shouldn't try to be too much, or become a boat anchor with features, thereby dragging down performance. I'd suspect you agree there's that common trait amongst us concerned with having Studio One perform extremely lean and trouble free.

The second, I'll use the term turn-off, is I don't suspect too many users are looking to have AI provide some innanimate suggestion that doesn't exactly quantify with personal art, or personal gut felt passion. Not unless that heartless #@$tard was then going to tell their fiancee they actually wrote a song without filling in the fact that AI actually created the words, the bass, the vocal, and whatever other pseudo manipulation, that track button you speak on helped with. If so, they better bring along fake roses as well.

Have a little appreciation for the human element, and perhaps not the AI help button. My only point here is, while the AI stuff might be dope, or just plain helpful, allow people to push back and say, sure.... there are beneficial areas for AI, medical miracles to be had, and likely take the baton for space travel. We humans have a steak in the game, and pride in feeling we can do it better. No? Do you think AI will produce another Beatles? Hah! I'd suggest and even guarantee that would be a very, very, poor facsimile.
Anyway, have fun in your quest to gunk up the works with Studio One. (I'm joking).

 

[OneBass]

lokefly,

I’m not following all you are saying. But I am trying.

Far from it for me to “gunk up the works” in Studio One. I’m not even on the development team.

But since you mention gunk, in your opinion did stem separation gunk up the works?

In the end, aren’t all update decisions made exclusively by the PreSonus team?
I’m a nobody in that regard. In the big scheme of things if my request has no place in the vision of S1, then it has no place and will never be implemented.

And I’m confused by your huge jump from a request for a “simple” bass tab generator to an AI that can produce “another Beatles”.

Is requesting the ability to create another Beatles how you are interpreting this thread?