That's what I wanted to mention as well - any plugin has to follow the VST protocol. But in many cases they use non-standard solutions (true MIDI outs in VST3s could be an example) and the DAWs created workarounds to let them still work. the most famous DAW for this is Reaper. As long as something comes out of the pretend-VST, Reaper will make it run somehow. But that is not good for a standard, wether VST, CLAP or AU. Tightening the leeways is the better route. Yes, it will make us angry and it will be frustrating, if our trusty old VST suddenly refuses to work properly, but in return the overall experience will be much smoother with a lot less of a hassle.
@Teksonik :
From the first post it seems, you were not looking for help, but confirmation. Even now, after support told you the culprits, you still want to blame everything else but your beloved VSTs. You won't get that here, because an opinion is not a help. But this is the support sub-forum. You asked, if others had issues with crashes. I answered no. You claim, Dune 3 would be rock-solid. A quick search on Google revealed tons of crashes in several DAWs over the years. You mention FL Studio and Waveform Pro 13.5 also crashing. I have both as well, and never had a crash in years of using them. If confirmation is all you seek, ignore this answer. Else, start to identify the issues with your PC. Because one thing is true: occasional rare crashes are ok. What you experience is not occasional or rare.
My bet is on the graphics card. Maybe dead drivers, maybe faulty VRAM. But guessing and betting doesn't help.
See my post above, I won't bother reiterating its salient points. The purpose of this thread was to gather information to pass along to support, not to get "advice". Do you experience such crashes or not? Pretty simple question or at least it should be. A handful of people have replied that they do not but it's a statically insignificant number. To those people I say thanks. To others who have offered "unplug it and plug it back in" level of advice, I appreciate your attempts but please don't bother any further.
Again you're in Defense of DAW mode simply attempting to defend
your beloved DAW. Also how do you explain multiple plugins causing crashes? Are they all corrupt or is it more likely to be an issue with the Daw? Think it through.
Also again I have been an alpha and beta tester for several DAWs and a lot of plugins for many many years. This is not my first rodeo. I am well versed in bug hunting and interactions with people who actually write the code.
I can tell you that DUNE 3 has been rock solid here since its first release and that counts ealy betas as well. I can tell you that it is rock solid on my studio system in all other DAWs. That's a simple fact. You can google any plugin and find reports of issues. That does not make those issues common in relation to the size of the user base. Go to KVR and find a report of issues with DUNE 3. I haven't seen one and that forum has hundreds of thousands of members. I also frequent Synapse Audio's company forum and I don't see reports of issues related to stability.
As for "Maybe dead drivers, maybe faulty VRAM" the card is only two years old and the drivers are up to date. Please explain how if it were drivers or memory why that wouldn't also affect all the other DAWs on the same system? The crashes would be easily reproducible in every DAW and not so random. I do agree that it is likley a graphics call issue due to the actions before the crashes. Of note, my second studio system has also generated a prolem log even though I barely use it so that would tend to point away from a system specific issue since it has totally different specs. If five DAWs don't have the issue and one does
on the same system where does logic dicate that we look? If we're saying the Studio Pro is coded "better" yet can't handle exceptions without hard crashing then that argument goes out the window.
No my friend you're simply grasping at straws becase god forbid there should be an issue with your favorite DAW.
At this point there is no solid evidence pointing one way or the other as to the cause of the crashes. All I can do is gather the data as it is here, pass it along to support and speculate as to the cause. To me based on my experience it seems unlikely that six different plugins have caused intermittent crashes (not consistent crashes) in one DAW but not all the others
on the same system. Something else is at play. What is yet to be determined. For the record the last thing I want it to be is a problem with Studio Pro because I have grown to love it a great deal and plan to use it as my main DAW going forward. I am not approaching this emotionally but rather intellectually
. I simply want to find the verified truth no matter what it may be and hopefully aid in finding a fix to prevent further crashes.
Anyway I'm working with support and I'm waiting for a reponse to a question I had about further data contained in the probelm logs. So I don't see much point in any further discussions here. We'll see how it goes. When (if) there is a valid determination I will post it here.
