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Anyone out there choosing to use CLAP over the (tm) Vst standard.

I think many current CLAP plugins are just the VST stuck into a CLAP wrapper, mostly because someone made that wrapper freely available. So companies can quickly get to market with a CLAP version but, of course, that version has none of the benefits of CLAP. It's very much like when VST3 started. Companies just wrapped the VST2s up in a VST3 wrapper. Many are still like that and have not implemented the optional and beneficial features that VST3 offers over VST2 like multiple MIDI i/o and CPU saving.

So whilst CLAP might look brilliant on paper the actual implementation may not be so different to VST in many cases. Time will tell but remember that the best technical solution does not always win. Anyone else old enough to remember Betamax vs VHS? Betamax was technically the best solution but lost out to marketing. If CLAP does not gain enough of a foothold at both ends of the game (Host and Plugin) then it will not become the standard.
 
The vst in a wrapper theory, can you provide some empirical evidence or info folk can read ?
Well as far as looking good on paper, the question is should folk be trying out CLAP vst's to see if they are a good option and do they offer benefit to the user.

Hey ho , yeah I remember the Betamax VHS debacle, will we ever learn.

As far as a foothold in the DAW world is concerned I agree, I try to keep an open mind tho'.

best regards.
 
Absolutely, sintil8. I'm guilty of the same curiosity.
I've finally been completely happy with my current plugs, mics, instruments, etc. Only.......
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in." (Al Pacino) [Godfather 3].
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I get that, the quote "Pull me back", Al Pacino.

For some reason , Peter Gabriel "Pull me in", from "Downside Up Upside Down", pops into my head whenever someone post that.

copy and paste into google "PETER GABRIEL * 2003 * Downside Up (Video-Official DVD)". 🎪
I didn't post a link, I hope you understand why.

However, back to the CLAP and SO1
Maybe someone with some actual Vst Dev experience might pop in and give an independent opinion. It's very mystical and the black art of coding. As you said earlier in the thread Midi 2 is being implemented, maybe someday it might gel into an integrated system that manages itself with Artificial Intelligence doing all the houskeeping. Anyway I'm waffling.

All the best of regards.

Sin.
 
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Whatever Clap actually is as something new or enhancing, it will be its execution that will either invite some to the table, or a few, or even not. Let's see. Sort of odd how Clap was announced (a few days ago), and I would have guessed U-He and Bitwig would have generated something better to promote this new .... ehm thing. I can't say I'm blown away by their execution. So either it will catch on, or not. Reminds me of Flotsam & Jetsum. ; )

Psst, I removed the link. Probably for the best.
Talk soon, my friend.
 
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VST3 was introduced in 2008, so I would assume whatever effort Steinberg put into it has at least been mentally amortized by now. But there may be two other factors. Steinberg might not want to lose relevance with AU-based Apple users. Interestingly, several companies advise against using AU plugin versions if a VST3 version is available. Forum users here often advise against using AU with Studio One.

The unfortunately-named CLAP standard may have shaken up some complacency. I don't know if CLAP has made many inroads, but it does go some places where VST doesn't go.

Steinberg has been good about maintaining the VST spec (hey, it was introduced in 1996, that's a long run) instead of doing a Reason Studio and abandoning ReWire. So it was probably about time for an update anyway. And the fact that the SDK accommodates MIDI 2.0 is a good sign for many reasons.
 
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Based on that article.....
A more open sourced VST3 (VST3.8). With MIDI 2, along with VST-GUI, and ASIO improvements (also a more open approach) means we won't have to fall victim of getting the Clap!

Whew, I knew there'd be a bright side to all of this. Yay!
U-He and Bidset will likely continue on their own either open sourced, or proprietary CLAP plugins, but good to know others such as VST3 (towards the VST 3.8 (MIT) arent sitting on their hands.
Probably everyone's a winner. We shall see.
 
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Funny thing about stated improvements reminds me of "be careful of what you wish for".

While CLAP offers things that would be useful such as MIDI 2, a lot of the other claims would only serve even the most elite keyboard crazed addicts. After all, remember who designed CLAP. Largely U-He, and Bidset. Who needs individual modulation, off of each single note played, making even Poly aftertouch look like its not enough? I mean..... really folks.

And does one need plugins to open faster?
My plugins open in about three-tenths of a second! If I leave the plugin open, and change tracks or channels, there is no open time. Its literally instant. And I'm referring to 3rd party channel strip plugins.
So before we get all crazed on something new, think if the end justifies the mean.
Undoubtedly, someday it will matter.
Not in a rush for what the protocol sales pitch is offering.

I think the newly improved VST 3.8 will have what most will be actually looking for.
JMO.
 
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It is what it is and if it provides a way forward with functions that can benefit folk making music then I don't see an issue.
Perhaps, we as end users have little control over any of this. My question has been pretty much answered folk appear happy with the status quo.
No big deal...
I try to look at from the point that, the mind is like a parachute, it works best when it's open.:)

Kindest regards
 
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I imagine devs at both ends of the plugin chain would much rather there was only one flavour. At present they have to support and test VST2, VST3, AU, AAX and CLAP. And we still see odd ball problems like Scaler 3 sometimes being Blocklisted by S1.
 
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I imagine devs at both ends of the plugin chain would much rather there was only one flavour. At present they have to support and test VST2, VST3, AU, AAX and CLAP. And we still see odd ball problems like Scaler 3 sometimes being Blocklisted by S1.
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Is that a Vst3 issue?
I have not upgraded to Scaler 3, but read on this forum folk have come across this issue. Not nice after folk have paid for a working Vst.
I dare say the Scaler Dev's are working on sorting it out, providing folk have submitted tickets?

As far as Devs are concerned and one flavour, I presume the tools they have for writing the code is a big factor and how robust the code is.
Cubase and Steinberg have taken a bold step in moving their tools to a MIT license which I applaud. However they could have done that before now?
One flavour is OK, but that has pitfalls, IMHO., having back ups or alternative/options might be worth considering, if the (tm) VST for some reason malfunctions, maybe an alternative flavour might work in it's place?

Maybe @Craig Anderton hit a nail on the head about the amortized benefits and S/Berg showing some recognition around closed
computer architectures and opening up systems. Possibly a good thing, lets hope so anyway.

As I have said before, you have your opinion and I can accept that, it's not a problem...I am not going to go round in circles and keep repeating the same mantra as tho' it were written in stone. Folk have kindly commented on this and I thank them for that.
It's quite obvious the folk that have commented are happy with Vst as a standard.

With that can I wish you well and kindest regards.
 
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.....Maybe @Craig Anderton hit a nail on the head about the amortized benefits and S/Berg showing some recognition around closed
computer architectures and opening up systems. Possibly a good thing, lets hope so anyway.
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Open source was mentioned in the article, that indeed should open things up. To what level, we'll have to see. I think everyone wins there.
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It's quite obvious the folk that have commented are happy with Vst as a standard.
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I think so. Perhaps, some users are waiting for specific developments that aid in their equipment or workflow. I couldn't say. No such needs here. If a new standard can alot me more time to write and play music. I'm down! ; )
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With that can I wish you well and kindest regards.
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You too, sintil8! I hope you get whatever it is you're looking for. I understand, you're sensing the climate as well.
That's a good thing.
 
@lokeyfly
Just thinking aloud... and S/Berg
Is this the chance for VST's to be introduced into other software packages without the rigors of contractual compliance now being under a "free license". Companies such as DaVinci etc., can dev their own Vst's inside their own programs scenario?

About CLAP., the things that stood out for me was its backward compatability and the suggestion of "Thread Pooling", it's this type of advantage I hope, or believe, will bring some benefits. It's worth a quick google. If it is a false flag and gives no return then the (tm vst) is still available. Nothing lost.

I enjoy the journey the destination is in the distance I can travel. Music is the best.:cool:

U2 - I still Haven't Found What I'm looking for

Regards as always.
 
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