Solved Why does S1 not load the GM sounds?

[John Vere]

I updated my title as the first one has resulted in zero answers.
So what my question is why does Studio one ask if you want to load GM sounds when you open a midi file? Then it switches to 44.1 ( very annoying) and then there is no instruments loaded. Just midi tracks.
Google say's it will use Presence?

that's not a GM synth? I tried manually adding it but it doesn't (by defualt?) recognize GM patches.

There’s nothing in the manual I can find as well as nothing in the tutorials.

 

[John Vere]

I downloaded the VST 2 version of VST Synth Font and it works fine. But still want to know why it asks to load GM and nothing happens.
Did it used to use the MS Wavetable?

 

[Vocalpoint]

Why does Studio one ask if you want to load GM sounds when you open a midi file? Then it switches to 44.1 ( very annoying) and then there is no instruments loaded. Just midi tracks.

How - exactly - are you opening MIDI files?

I just drag and drop them via the Browser. Never get asked anything. The file simply appears on the track I drop it on - ready for work?

VP

 

[John Vere]

As I said in the post. When I open a midi file.
This is the preferred method of using GM midi multi track files in the Daw’s that work this way. Example Cubase, Mixcraft and Sonar.

The reason you need to do this is that opening a GM file will import all the data and not just the notes. With out the data there is no tempo as example.
That is why you drag and drop midi if you don’t want tempo data.

Cubase and Sonar need a simple configuration in preferences to automatically insert the player.
Mixcraft just like S1 asks you if you want to use the Acoustica instruments.

I have a feeling in the past it might have directed the tracks to the MS Wavetable synth which is being phased out by Windows.

As example it is no longer an option in Sonar and Cubase.
And I see that S1 does not have MS Wavetable or Virtual midi synth as midi output options.

So once again, why does it ask if you want to use GM sounds. And then nothing happens. Does this need to be configured like in Sonar?

 

[Vocalpoint]

As I said in the post. When I open a midi file. This is the preferred method of using GM midi multi track files in the Daw’s that work this way. Example Cubase, Mixcraft and Sonar.

Well - that may be a "preferred" method to you - but there are always better and easier ways. One of which I just mentioned.

And you asked about why you were getting so many questions, sample rate changes and so on when opening a MIDI file. I offered a solution to your question.

VP

 

[Lukas]

There's a difference bewteen dragging a MIDI track into an existing arrangement and dragging it onto the start page or other areas outside of the main arrangement.

The latter will create a new song - and ask you if GM sound should be loaded (if program changes or or other GM data is detected).

The question is if you have the Presence Artist Sound Set installed. It contains the GM sound bank and. If this Sound Set is missing, it might be the reason why nothing happens after choosing to load GM instruments.

If you do not like the answer - not much I can do about that. Maybe time to use one of those other DAWs you mentioned?

@Vocalpoint Please... stay friendly and constructive!

 

[Vocalpoint]

There's a difference between dragging a MIDI track into an existing arrangement and dragging it onto the start page or other areas outside of the main arrangement.

The latter will create a new song - and ask you if GM sound should be loaded (if program changes or or other GM data is detected).

The question is if you have the Presence Artist Sound Set installed. It contains the GM sound bank and. If this Sound Set is missing, it might be the reason why nothing happens after choosing to load GM instruments.

Would have been helpful to know these differences.

This is literally the first I have ever heard (since 2011) of how this works.

Thanks!

VP

 

[lokeyfly]

I forgot as well, because from time to time, I'll see the General MIDI soundset, but never load it, as I simply dont use it. Good that its available for those that need it. Thanks for the solution, Lukas.

I was simply going to ask the OP which GM sound source were they going to load.

Anyhoo....

 

[Vocalpoint]

Must be this one...

Which I never load either.

VP

 

[John Vere]

Thanks once again @Lukas that was the problem. I sort of skipped all the installation extras just to save time and I had not downloaded any of the files needed by Presence. So that was the mystery. It was trying to load something that was not there. Works great now.

And I can live with the stupid 44.1 thing, that takes 2 seconds to fix. Just remember not to have your volume up because of the click when it changes sample rates.

And for those who understandably don't know how to work with GM midi it is super important to OPEN a midi file in your Daw.

Try it it is easy to test. Grab any GM midi file. OPEN it in Studio one and you will see the correct tempo plus all the tracks a correctly labled and there are instrument assignments for each track. There's also a zillion other things might be in the midi file. And now I have the Presence set up, it plays the song more or less as it was intended to sound.

Now take the same midi file and drag it to a empty project. All you will get a a nice colorful bunch of midi tracks. No tempo, no channels, no nothing. Dragging midi is how you add midi clips to existing projects where you don't want that data. All Daw's that I have used work this way. The exception in Waveform which the only way is drag and drop, but it does ask if you want the tempo map.

Anyhow mark this as SOLVED thanks again, I new it must be a setting or something.

 

[Lukas]

Ok perfect.

Must be this one...

View attachment 2064

Which I never load either.

VP

Yes, exactly. "Artist Instrument Library" -> Studio One Instruments Vol 1 - that's the correct name.

 

[lokeyfly]

Anyhow mark this as SOLVED thanks again, I new it must be a setting or something.

Lukas gets the "Ada boy" on this one.

 

[John Vere]

I made a quick tutorial on the subject seeing as how I couldn't find one anywhere.

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[Vocalpoint]

I made a quick tutorial on the subject seeing as how I couldn't find one anywhere.

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Cool video John

And just a gentle FYI on the sample rates. Ideally - for most music production (espeically on Windows), 44.1kHz/24-bit is industry standard.

If you are on a Mac or doing video, 48 kHz is often preferred.

However - at the end of the day - if it is audio - there is zero benefit to choosing 48khz over 44.1khz. Staying in 44.1khz would solve your "glitch" that you showed in your video.

Been doing professional work here since 2002 and not a single client has ever asked me about 48K or requested any delivery of it. It has been 44.1/24bit for as long as I have used a pro DAW.

VP