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Keep Pan and Volume same after Transform To Rendered Audio?

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Sayat Nova

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Hello Everyone,

I am in the middle of mixing a project and have maxed out my CPU. So, I am now "Transforming To Rendered Audio" all of my tracks to freeze them and save/regain CPU.

It is working fine, however, each time the track finished processing, it prints the audio with the volume level and pan info baked in, and then resets the fader and pans on the track to centre and 0dB. I hate this, and hope there is a way to just freeze the audio FX inserts AND keep the original pan and volume intact on the track?

I haver a lot of intricate panning and volume levels set, and need them to be visible to fine-tune them.

Thank you of any suggestions.
 
With Studio One Pro 7 "Transform to Rendered Audio", the effects of Volume and Pan settings (including automation) are applied to the Track as it is bounced to audio, so the value of those settings and their automation data is set to its defaults in the resulting bounced Track. If you wish to edit those parameters later, be sure to check the Preserve Realtime State option when Transforming the Track. This allows you to revert the Track back to its original state, with original settings and automation data intact. Note that send levels, bus assignments, and other mix parameters retain their settings as normal after Transforming a Track.

Since this is by design it's best (if you want an option to change this) to submit a Feature Request at the following site...
Studio One Pro Feature Requests
 
Thank you for the reply, I appreciate it.

I can't believe anyone would see this as a well-implemented "feature". Honestly, I am stunned this is the way it is supposed to work. Do they honestly thing that when you freeze a track to save CPU, you are no longer needing to adjust level and pan to keep mixing? Wow... Normally Studio One seems to be really intuitive and well-thought out, but this is glaringly bad. I will send the feature request immediately, but I can't be the only one to remark on this, I imagine.

The way it is handled in Ableton Live is perfect and very useful. I truly hope this gets implemented ASAP.

So, as it is now, for every track I want to freeze, I need to go and write down the pan and volume level, set them at their defaults, freeze the track, and then re-set the pan and volume levels back to where they were to keep mixing... for every track I do this to... Ugh. Not very "Studio One-like", is it! And I say this as a recent convert and massive fan of how the program is set-up and flows.
 
Sayat Nova said:
So, as it is now, for every track I want to freeze, I need to go and write down the pan and volume level, set them at their defaults, freeze the track, and then re-set the pan and volume levels back to where they were to keep mixing... for every track I do this to... Ugh.
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It's not that complicated! With audio, as Trucky says, check the "Preserve Instrument Track State" option when Transforming the Track. With Instrument tracks, check the "Preserve Instrument Track State" option. Then you can freeze the track and save CPU.

When you want to adjust pan, level, or any other parameter(s) that exist in that track or the plug-in(s), right-click on the track in the Track Column and choose "Transform to Realtime Audio" for audio or "Transform to Instrument Track" for instruments. Your track will return to the state when you transformed it. Make your edits, then re-freeze.
 
I use Console One System, designed to be quick and not have to be clicking too much in the DAW. That is literally the whole point of the system. Having to unfreeze and then refreeze any bounced track in the DAW is a total killer for this creative state. I also would like to point out that in other DAWs, this does not happen because the they retain the pan and level values once the track is frozen... The way it is implemented in Studio One is a bad way to do things.

So, if you are using Console One System, and you want to retain your pan and volume levels to keep mixing using this system, you have to do as I said: I need to go and write down the pan and volume level, set them at their defaults, freeze the track, and then re-set the pan and volume levels back to where they were to keep mixing... for every track I do this to.

I literally moved to Studio One from over 20 years MOTU DP and 5 in Ableton Live because the Console One System was supposed to be completely integrated into it and just work. I never thought my problems would be in how Studio One itself is working... Very frustrating and not sure how I could have foreseen these issues.

Thing is, I really like working in Studio One this past year and don't want to look elsewhere, again. I can get by not using VCA faders, and not using Track Folders, but I would really like to eat have S1 retain the pan and volume levels after freezing, if possible. On the other hand, at least I have a work-around for this particular issue...
 
I have a solution for you for Instrument tracks. If you choose Transform to Audio Track, check Preserve Instrument Track State, but uncheck Render Inserts, this will freeze the audio and maintain the pan positions and levels, which you can alter after freezing. Unchecking Render Inserts does something else you may find beneficial - the inserts remain available for realtime processing, editing, and automation.

However, there's no equivalent option for audio tracks. In that case, probably the quickest workaround for you is to create a keyboard shortcut for Transform to Rendered Audio and another shortcut for Transform to Realtime Audio. So hit a key to unfreeze, make your edits, and hit a key to freeze again. Hope this helps.
 
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Good points made by the OP I hope he creates a ticket with Presonus.
 
Number6 said:
Good points made by the OP I hope he creates a ticket with Presonus.
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Agreed. Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to do, since you can already do it when freezing Instrument tracks. Maybe when freezing audio tracks, add a "Render Channel Settings" check box. This could also supplement the "Render Inserts" box for Instrument tracks. Then you would have a choice of keeping the volume and pan unfrozen for additional edits after freezing, or locking them down if you want to freeze their settings along with the track. I can see valid reasons for each option, depending on the person's workflow.

Offering both options would also put Studio One ahead of DAWs that offer only the option mentioned by the OP.
 
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