Help please! How to set timeline at different TC than 00:00:00:00?

[JellyJonas]

Dear fellow S1 users, I'm quite new to S1 having switched from Cubase Pro just a few months ago. I mainly do film and TV work so my support question is related to that and is the following;

How do I set the song timeline start at a different time code than 00:00:00:00? And before someone says "you can set song start in the song setup" I would like to say that all this does (at least in my experience) is to add a marker at the chosen TC (or frames in the case of S1).

Here's a scenario to hopefully explain better:

Sometimes I have a scene from a movie that I need to score. This is just a single scene and there's a timecode embedded in it which I can import into my Videoplayer (using VideoSync 6) and it will line up the scene to match the embedded TC.
Now, I might have more than an hour of empty timeline before the scene I'm supposed to work on starts. In Cubase/Nuendo/Logic/Protools you can delete/alter the timeline or set your zero bar to be a different TC than zero so your timeline starts at the same point as your scene's embedded TC meaning you don't have to scroll through an hour of empty timeline.

How do I achieve this in S1?


Best,
Jonas

 

[SwitchBack]

In Song Setup/General you can change the Time Offset to, in your case, a positive number.

 

[Lukas]

Hey Jonas, welcome to the forum!

Yes, you can do this very easily via Song -> Set Frames at Cursor or Set Time Offset at Cursor.

If you like, check out my tutorial database. There are about 40 videos about film scoring:

Scoring Tutorials | Studio One Toolbox

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[JellyJonas]

WONDERFUL! Thank you, both of you - this was exactly what I was looking for!

 

[JellyJonas]

@Lukas, a bit of a follow up question here:

How do you keep S1 synced to an external TC? Is Frames the equivalent of TC in Studio One? I ask because I keep getting thrown slightly out of sync when playing back (S1 TC doesn't match VideoSync TC after a few seconds of playback). I have matched the frame rate of the video and everything seems in order. If I scroll through using nudge frames then I stay in sync but the moment I hit play then I get out of sync.

How do you keep S1 in sync with external players?

Promise to donate monthly for all the help!

Best,
Jonas

 

[Lukas]

I usually don't sync to external time codes so I'm not sure how to test this here right now. @TDF1981 Do you have any ideas?

There are also some tips in my Video Track tutorial:

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[JellyJonas]

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. I can share a screen capture (somehow) if that helps.

 

[TDF1981]

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. I can share a screen capture (somehow) if that helps.

Sorry I am late to the party - frame rates and drop frames are crucial and can be a bit tricky, also being the following software Studio One has a tendency to be overly accurate. I have solved all my timing issues using a combination of Time Code Expert https://txl20.com/timecode-expert-2/ (you can use that to convert time code on the fly to see which works best for your setup) and Time Code Generator (Same developer as expert) to generate time codes for any situation.
Maybe this is a solution for you as well?

 

[AAV]

Marcus Huyskens has a couple of great YT videos on using video, and specifically on syncing video within an S1 project - beginning with S1 6.6. I think this is the one I was searching for but I didn't have time to go back through it to confirrm. Definitely worth a watch in any case. There are at least a couple from about the same timeframe (no pun intended). I am not a video expert by any stretch, but hopefully this helps you out (it definitely helped me out in my own meager efforts with video.

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[JellyJonas]

Sorry I am late to the party - frame rates and drop frames are crucial and can be a bit tricky, also being the following software Studio One has a tendency to be overly accurate. I have solved all my timing issues using a combination of Time Code Expert https://txl20.com/timecode-expert-2/ (you can use that to convert time code on the fly to see which works best for your setup) and Time Code Generator (Same developer as expert) to generate time codes for any situation.
Maybe this is a solution for you as well?

That looks like a brilliant piece of software - strange that I've never come across that before, but if it does what it looks like it does (essentially replace internal and distribute MTC from any daw to anywhere?) then this would probably solve my issues. BIG thanks!

Btw. In case someone is interested to know why S1 doesn't sync, here's an observation from NLA (creators of VideoSync 6):

"[...] Video Sync is completely agnostic of the MIDI timecode & MIDI Machine Control messages it receives - it does not know which DAW is sending it. It relies entirely on the MIDI addresses being correct. If they are, not, it cannot do anything about this. So in your situation, if the sync is working as expected with Nuendo, but not with Studio One, it implies that Studio one is sending incorrect positional messages. Looking at your video - it seems that in some situations, when you stop after playing in sync, the MMC is sending a stationary address two frames later than where the playhead is in Studio One - which then causes the playhead to jump 2 frames later in Video Sync. As you suspected, there is nothing we can do to compensate for this. That would be an issue to resolve with Presonus.

 

[JellyJonas]

Marcus Huyskens has a couple of great YT videos on using video, and specifically on syncing video within an S1 project - beginning with S1 6.6. I think this is the one I was searching for but I didn't have time to go back through it to confirrm. Definitely worth a watch in any case. There are at least a couple from about the same timeframe (no pun intended). I am not a video expert by any stretch, but hopefully this helps you out (it definitely helped me out in my own meager efforts with video.

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Thank you for the link, really appreciate it. Sadly the video only addresses TC when running videos within S1 so therefore doesn't address my issues.

 

[AAV]

Thank you for the link, really appreciate it. Sadly the video only addresses TC when running videos within S1 so therefore doesn't address my issues.

Sorry completely missed that.