Blend high-latency reverb with Green-Z mix

[dominicperry]

Is it possible to monitor low latency cue-mixes, and add some reverb from an aux (or any other routing) which has a much higher latency?

To be explicit, I want to keep my ~2 ms round-trip mic latency (RME @ 96KHz monitored through S1) with Metric Halo channel strip (0 ms latency) for EQ, comp, limiter and blend in UADx Ocean Way Studios Deluxe, which has a latency of about 6.5 ms. The extra "pre-delay" doesn't matter for a reverb, but I can't figure out how to get both signals on the same path without pushing the overall latency out to the full 8.5 ms.

Thanks

Dominic

 

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I'd say no, no such thing as negative time. Pipeline (the plugin for inserting outboard effects) is excluded from low latency monitoring too. So to have everything live in your monitors you're stuck with the 8.5ms.

You could opt for a low-latency monitor mix without the reverb (you can use a plugin in your monitors if you must) and record the reverb on a separate (delayed) track. That way you can mix it in later.

 

[dominicperry]

Thanks for the reply. I'm not asking for "negative time", I'm asking to blend a low-latency and non-low-latency signal path together. Of course, I could avoid reverb by not having reverb until mix time, but that doesn't help the vocalist.

For the avoidance of doubt, I can do this in ProTools, so it is possible. I just want to know if I've missed something and can do it in S1.

Dominic

 

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My suggestion was to use a (native) reverb plugin for the vocalist, and in post-production replace it with the UAD.

In Studio One green-Z low latency and 'normal' playback latency are two separate processes. Green-Z disables plugins with over 1ms latency including Pipeline, and normal playback doesn't. Per output in Studio One you can choose which of the two processes you want to use for that output mix. So you can have a fast output with most of it, and a slow output with the UAD. But how to combine the two...?

 

[dominicperry]

My suggestion was to use a (native) reverb plugin for the vocalist, and in post-production replace it with the UAD.

In Studio One green-Z low latency and 'normal' playback latency are two separate processes. Green-Z disables plugins with over 1ms latency including Pipeline, and normal playback doesn't. Per output in Studio One you can choose which of the two processes you want to use for that output mix. So you can have a fast output with most of it, and a slow output with the UAD. But how to combine the two...?

Got it, thanks. At least I know it can't be done, and why...

Dominic

 

[Midiboy]

My suggestion was to use a (native) reverb plugin for the vocalist, and in post-production replace it with the UAD.

In Studio One green-Z low latency and 'normal' playback latency are two separate processes. Green-Z disables plugins with over 1ms latency including Pipeline, and normal playback doesn't. Per output in Studio One you can choose which of the two processes you want to use for that output mix. So you can have a fast output with most of it, and a slow output with the UAD. But how to combine the two...?

This is the answer. It is how I do it as well. Same goes for any plug-in that uses "Look ahead" technology. It's just not a thing that can happen. Well, not until they release Studio One for Quantum computers.

 

[dominicperry]

This is the answer. It is how I do it as well. Same goes for any plug-in that uses "Look ahead" technology. It's just not a thing that can happen. Well, not until they release Studio One for Quantum computers.

Well, this is not the answer. And I'm not talking about look-ahead, it's reverb.
In my case, the answer is to use Pro Tools, which can blend a low-latency path with a higher-latency path (the latter will be late, which doesn't matter in the case of reverb).
Ocean Way Studios gives an impression of being in a room unlike any other plugin I've used, which is why it valuable to use it while tracking, rather than just some other reverb, and then substitute it later.

Dominic

 

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My solution is a Series III mixer/interface so I can mix multiple outputs outside Studio One. Never had the need to try do it without my trusty mixer.

So thinking aloud, maybe forget about Pipeline. Give the UAD its own Aux output, use loopback to return the output back to a channel input, and mix that channel in with your low-latency Cue mix. Requires an interface with loopback capability though.