gabo
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This is more of a "complaint" than a question. But sometimes I've found that others have "figured out a solution" that maybe I don't know about. Whether it be a technique in S1 or some other tool, so I thought I would post these thoughts.
This was inspired by the other thread here about "old school" recording and using DAWs like "fancy tape machines" instead of loops and Virtual Instruments. Along those lines, I have a ton of "old songs," many of which weren't recorded to a click and some of which have players that are no longer living. Many times I have the desire to "rework" some of these songs, but don't really want to completely re-record them.
What I generally do with these things is pull them into S1 and the first thing is to create a tempo map so I can get a click to follow the original recording. Then I use things like stem separation to pull things apart and either re-record bits or possibly completely replace things like drums that may not have been recorded very well. This produces sort of an advanced "remaster" of the original that sounds many times better than just standard remastering.
But it always amazes me how difficult it is to get a really good tempo map. Whether using the full studio version of Melodyne or S1s newly built in "tempo detection" it always seems to really struggle to get things right. And the most basic of problems that almost always occurs is the software's inability to accurately "find the 1."
For a human listening to the song, it's relatively trivial to snap your fingers to the song and it's also trivial to "find the 1" for every measure in the song. Indeed, many times the only way to get a good tempo map is to set up a mic and just snap my finger or clap to the song. Then go into studio one, assign bend markers to each snap/clap, and nudge them around to get them perfectly lined up with the song, then use that to manually create a tempo map.
With the state of AI, tools that can pick out notes and chords, even tune the notes and chords, why is it still so hard to find a tool that can accurately create a tempo map?? Probably because it's not in high demand, I suspect there are very few people that do this sort of thing more than just once in a blue moon. I would certainly shell out a few $$'s for a tool that just did that, and did it well.
This was inspired by the other thread here about "old school" recording and using DAWs like "fancy tape machines" instead of loops and Virtual Instruments. Along those lines, I have a ton of "old songs," many of which weren't recorded to a click and some of which have players that are no longer living. Many times I have the desire to "rework" some of these songs, but don't really want to completely re-record them.
What I generally do with these things is pull them into S1 and the first thing is to create a tempo map so I can get a click to follow the original recording. Then I use things like stem separation to pull things apart and either re-record bits or possibly completely replace things like drums that may not have been recorded very well. This produces sort of an advanced "remaster" of the original that sounds many times better than just standard remastering.
But it always amazes me how difficult it is to get a really good tempo map. Whether using the full studio version of Melodyne or S1s newly built in "tempo detection" it always seems to really struggle to get things right. And the most basic of problems that almost always occurs is the software's inability to accurately "find the 1."
For a human listening to the song, it's relatively trivial to snap your fingers to the song and it's also trivial to "find the 1" for every measure in the song. Indeed, many times the only way to get a good tempo map is to set up a mic and just snap my finger or clap to the song. Then go into studio one, assign bend markers to each snap/clap, and nudge them around to get them perfectly lined up with the song, then use that to manually create a tempo map.
With the state of AI, tools that can pick out notes and chords, even tune the notes and chords, why is it still so hard to find a tool that can accurately create a tempo map?? Probably because it's not in high demand, I suspect there are very few people that do this sort of thing more than just once in a blue moon. I would certainly shell out a few $$'s for a tool that just did that, and did it well.
