Major issue with Studio Pro 8 - stock plugins appear microscopic and are nearly impossible to use. This has been confirmed by Fender support. The only alternative is to drastically reduce the resolution of your display. That might be fine if I only used my computer for Studio Pro, but that's a ridiculous assumption. This is unacceptable in what is deemed professional software. I really hope that efforts are being made to rectify this.
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Unable to resize stock plugins (OSX)
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Vocalpoint
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Pretty clear here in the system requirements
Respectfully - no where in here does it suggest 4K/5K resolution. No sure why you simply assume you can force it into being.
And do remember - the rest of the audio wolrd runs on Standard HD (1920x1080) as well.
While there are a few exceptions out there - if you insist on pushing the boundaries of your screen res - the battle with "microscopics" will not end
The only guaranteed way this get solved is if the entire audio industry rewrites every app and plugin to conform to high resolution.
No one will do that anytime soon.
VP
Respectfully - no where in here does it suggest 4K/5K resolution. No sure why you simply assume you can force it into being.
And do remember - the rest of the audio wolrd runs on Standard HD (1920x1080) as well.
While there are a few exceptions out there - if you insist on pushing the boundaries of your screen res - the battle with "microscopics" will not end
The only guaranteed way this get solved is if the entire audio industry rewrites every app and plugin to conform to high resolution.
No one will do that anytime soon.
VP
Respectfully, to assume that the whole audio industry needs to move to a different resolution standard before this issue is solved is simply ludicrous. Imagine one of their devs closing off that ticket like "Won't fix. Whole industry needs to catch-up first." Ridiculous.
Also, the resolution you point at is not the recommended, but merely the minimum requirement. Even if I was using a retina monitor as recommended, stock plugins would still appear very small and there is simply no way to resize them on OSX. You know, like nearly every other third-party plugin.
Also, the resolution you point at is not the recommended, but merely the minimum requirement. Even if I was using a retina monitor as recommended, stock plugins would still appear very small and there is simply no way to resize them on OSX. You know, like nearly every other third-party plugin.
Vocalpoint
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Hey - I get it. You are not happy.
On the converse - running here at 1920x1080 - every single plugin I own - is displayed perfectly onscreen.
But whether you like it or not - the true solution to YOUR issue is to have ALL vendors rewrite ALL plugins to be 100% scalable and viewable at all resolutions.
Today however - the resolution baseline remains Standard HD.
You can either accept that and carry on - or fight with microscopic all day long. It's your call.
But until the industry decides that 4k/5k is a thing AND specifically designs their product to fully support these resolutions - this is what it is.
And this:
"This has been confirmed by Fender support"
Is simply Fender support - pretty much validating what I just said. They know this is an issue and they know they need to (someday) fix it. And the only way that is going to happen is if they redo ALL their stock plugins interfaces to be 100% scalable.
It is simply not a priority right now. So they leave it at Standard HD - where everything just works - as a common baseline.
VP
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But my issue isn't with all vendors, just the stock plugins with Studio Pro. There's scaling options available for Studio Pro for Windows, but not OSX. And most third-party developers also offer this feature in their plugins, so I don't think I'm asking for much here really.
Vocalpoint
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Not aware of anything special for me over here. And I have seen these same complaints from Windows users about tiny "this" and "tiny" that when someone is rocking some sort of high end display.
I cannot scale or resize any stock plugins within Studio Pro 8 on my DAW.
NOW - Windows itself allows scaling (which I do not use either) but that has nothing to do with SP8.
Is this what you are referring to? Or maybe this?
I cannot change the value in that box. It's is locked to 100%
VP
Vocalpoint
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Agreed.
But that is because you are not at 1920x1080.
Over here - no problem
Lower the resolution and everything just works.
Wish I had a better solution - but that is it.
VP
But that is because you are not at 1920x1080.
Over here - no problem
Lower the resolution and everything just works.
Wish I had a better solution - but that is it.
VP
Ha, I know why it's occurring. It sucks. My point is that I don't think it's expecting too much for us to be able to resize the stock plugins. You can justify it any way you want, but I shouldn't need to change the resolution for my whole system for this, or expect the whole industry to adopt different standard resolutions (lol), especially when many different third parties already offer solutions for this - either drag on the bottom right-hand corner, or select a scale value within the plugin UI etc.
Vocalpoint
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The point you are missing is that the "industry" IS already AT an established worldwide standard and that is what most of us use. It is you who are choosing to ignore that standard - and are now struggling - and oddly blaming the vendors for not catering to you.
And to this:
"When many different third parties already offer solutions for this - either drag on the bottom right-hand corner, or select a scale value within the plugin UI etc"
Yes - that "solution" they are offering is called designing (or rewriting) their plugin UIs for 100% scalability.
Know that there is little value in the work that would be involved for Fender to rewrite every stock plugin UI - just to appease the 2-3% of users out there who feel the need to rock a 5K display. The other 97% of us are just fine at 1920x1080 and it seems - so is Fender. At least for now.
Listen - I know it sucks - but if this was me - even with a high end display - I would still accept whatever standard is required to do my work - instead of finding ways to fight it all day long.
Without a full end-to-end rewrite by Fender on all stock plugins - there is no way this ends well if you choose not to conform.
VP
Number6
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I cannot believe that 97% of people are using their primary monitor at 1920 x 1080.
I have a 4K screen I wouldn't go back to a smaller size monitor size. Way too many advantages.
Anyway, only one way to find out:
studiooneforum.com
I have a 4K screen I wouldn't go back to a smaller size monitor size. Way too many advantages.
Anyway, only one way to find out:
POLL: What is the pixel size of your highest resolution monitor running Fender Pro?
As below
studiooneforum.com
Vocalpoint
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Could just look here too: (worldwide)
Desktop Screen Resolution Stats Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the stats of desktop screen resolutions worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.
gs.statcounter.com
Super high resolutions are clocking in even lower than 800x600. Take this for what it's worth I guess...
VP
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Number6
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My poll got deleted and I'm not happy about that at all.
What you post above is not surprising and there are many people on the developing world who don't use high resolution screens because of affordability.
Regardless this is irrelevant, my survey was about Studio Pro users and studio Pro users only. Monitors are bought to suit a purpose. No serious graphics is going to be running a monitor at 800 x 600 for instance.
What you post above is not surprising and there are many people on the developing world who don't use high resolution screens because of affordability.
Regardless this is irrelevant, my survey was about Studio Pro users and studio Pro users only. Monitors are bought to suit a purpose. No serious graphics is going to be running a monitor at 800 x 600 for instance.
Vocalpoint
Well-known member
100% agreed.
You can certainly run whatever you'd like (at whatever resolution you like too) but that does not mean everything out there will display correctly on whatever you use.
That is what this is really about - not what kind of hardware you like staring at.
VP
Number6
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Studio One works perfectly fine on a 4K monitor.
Many plugins however aren't designed for 4K.
I would expect DAWs to help out with plugin sizes that are too small and Studio One does that with system DPI scaling although there are some bugs with it.
Studio One offers high DPI support so 4K is supported as well as a number of other higher revolutions.
It also supports multi monitor but there are some bugs with this too.
Many laptops have 4K resolutions by default too. The idea that we should all be running at 1920 x 1080 is silly. Nothing wrong with doing that but there is absolutely nothing wrong with running 4K either and it has considerable advantages.
Many plugins however aren't designed for 4K.
I would expect DAWs to help out with plugin sizes that are too small and Studio One does that with system DPI scaling although there are some bugs with it.
Studio One offers high DPI support so 4K is supported as well as a number of other higher revolutions.
It also supports multi monitor but there are some bugs with this too.
Many laptops have 4K resolutions by default too. The idea that we should all be running at 1920 x 1080 is silly. Nothing wrong with doing that but there is absolutely nothing wrong with running 4K either and it has considerable advantages.
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Vocalpoint
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Exactly. This is what I tried to explain to the OP - but clearly - there is a challenge there.
Nothing wrong with using a 4K monitor at all - you simply need to realize that not everything you attempt to put on it will display correctly.
Until the industry (as a whole) decides make an real effort and rewrite ALL their plugins so they work seamlessly on any display at any resolution - this problem will never go away.
However - until that day arrives (and it may never arrive) - the easiest (guaranteed) solution is run in Standard HD.
No need to buy any fancy hardware or sit around and wait for your fav plugins to get a full scale rewrite.
Me - I could care less about how much screen space I have and 1000% more about making sure I can actually see what I am doing.
Each to their own.
VP
I've been using 4K with SO/FSP for A Very Long Time. I bought a display large enough to keep things readable at 100% (43"). Never had a problem displaying or seeing anything
Vocalpoint
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Well - you should talk to the OP - he seems to have plenty of issues - especially with "microscopic" stock plugins.
VP