Touchscreen monitor feedback with Studio One

[lokeyfly]

Hi All,
I'm looking into a touchscreen monitor specifically with Studio One. I haven't counted out the Raven MTI 4.0 either. I know that will include the added benefits of their own touch gestures, exclusive mixer when needed, and some pretty slick batch commander control.

With that, it's just as useful for me to hear if some of you use a touchscreen in some sort of genuine mixer like layout. Such as having the monitor placed at about 30 deg. tilt, and have put time in. That could feasibly save $$$ if the capability is useful enough.

I use a laptop, so while about 50% of my DAW use would be mobile, I'd really like the advantage at times for mixdown and session tracking to include a useful touchscreen monitor. I have the studio for when those needs arize. The Raven MTI is 27" and that's about the useful size for me. I suspect it carries the same batch commander control as the MTX. Currently looking at that

Thoughts, and experiences towards touchscreen usage with Studio One appreciated.

Here's a video on some Raven 4.0 functionality.

RAVEN 4.0 Studio One Top 10 Features

RAVEN now fully supports Studio One! With our new Rent to Own options, you can get a brand-new RAVEN MTi MAX for as little as $108 a month.Mix faster and be ...

youtu.be

 

[daw stew]

Hi All,
I'm looking into a touchscreen monitor specifically with Studio One. I haven't counted out the Raven MTI 4.0 either. I know that will include the added benefits of their own touch gestures, exclusive mixer when needed, and some pretty slick batch commander control.

With that, it's just as useful for me to hear if some of you use a touchscreen in some sort of genuine mixer like layout. Such as having the monitor placed at about 30 deg. tilt, and have put time in. That could feasibly save $$$ if the capability is useful enough.

I use a laptop, so while about 50% of my DAW use would be mobile, I'd really like the advantage at times for mixdown and session tracking to include a useful touchscreen monitor. I have the studio for when those needs arize. The Raven MTI is 27" and that's about the useful size for me. I suspect it carries the same batch commander control as the MTX. Currently looking at that

Thoughts, and experiences towards touchscreen usage with Studio One appreciated.

Here's a video on some Raven 4.0 functionality.

RAVEN 4.0 Studio One Top 10 Features

RAVEN now fully supports Studio One! With our new Rent to Own options, you can get a brand-new RAVEN MTi MAX for as little as $108 a month.Mix faster and be ...

youtu.be

Good question.
As a touchscreen user I can report that a 2 monitor approach works well. I have a 27 inch Acer t272 at an angle with a 34 inch non touch monitor above it. I use the touch screen mostly for mixing ( I don't like editing on a touch screen as there is no cursor movement like you get with a mouse so you don't know what you're clicking until you touch it).
Where the touch screen has revolutionised my workflow is combining Studio 1 with the SSL 360 application which I dedicate the touch screen to.
My template has an SSL link plugin on each track, bus or fx send.
With this set up I get as close as possible to mixing on a console. It definitely reminds me of working on a board. I'm on windows 10 which supports multi touch. Not sure about Mac

 

[lokeyfly]

Thanks Stew. Btw, glad to see you made it over here. What you say makes good sense with the two monitor approach. I have a 30" non touch on the wall there now, so it sounds like the gesturing, multi-touch and overall mixer touch needs are non constricting. For editing, the mouse covers so much ground that it doesn't pay to have to re learn Raven gestures, but I have to admit the Raven 4.0 is far better then when I first looked at it around 2016.

The maximum I'll go is 30" which isn't a big difference but possibly provides a little more touch real estate. I suspect a mat finish is a consideration on minimizing reflecting lights and objects. Only I do like the harder glass surface. Finger print smudges are all things to consider.
Thanks for the points made.

 

[lokeyfly]

It appears at present, Raven 4.0 is not available on PC, only Mac. However, Slate is very good about free updates all the time so their merchandise goes a long way. 3.2 is available for PC.

Also, I'm seeing some very nicely capable 27 and 32 inch 10 touch, 4k monitors for cheap. So I'm still in the research phase. It appears both ways are very good choices.

 

[daw stew]

It appears at present, Raven 4.0 is not available on PC, only Mac. However, Slate is very good about free updates all the time so their merchandise goes a long way. 3.2 is available for PC.

Also, I'm seeing some very nicely capable 27 and 32 inch 10 touch, 4k monitors for cheap. So I'm still in the research phase. It appears both ways are very good choices.View attachment 220

Slate doesn't seem to value Windows users compared to Mac. Personally I can't justify the cost of the Raven when you factor in the software isn't ready for Windows. I'm interested in the 32 inch touch screen, do you have a link? What resolution is it? I love my Acer t272 but I'd love a bigger monitor.

 

[lokeyfly]

That's always been the case with Slate. Even the PC versions would lack some features that were equipped with Pro Tools for the Mac.

I didn't have much chance to look today. I don't think I'll need the 4K either. 32" is a great size for something so up front and personal, as apposed to being several feet out in front.

If I see anything that is a serious cut above the rest, I'll send a link.

 

[sintil8]

Good question.
As a touchscreen user I can report that a 2 monitor approach works well. I have a 27 inch Acer t272 at an angle with a 34 inch non touch monitor above it. I use the touch screen mostly for mixing ( I don't like editing on a touch screen as there is no cursor movement like you get with a mouse so you don't know what you're clicking until you touch it).
Where the touch screen has revolutionised my workflow is combining Studio 1 with the SSL 360 application which I dedicate the touch screen to.
My template has an SSL link plugin on each track, bus or fx send.
With this set up I get as close as possible to mixing on a console. It definitely reminds me of working on a board. I'm on windows 10 which supports multi touch. Not sure about Mac

Hi both,
I looked into this some time ago and the improvements in the latest version of Raven v4 looks good in the promo, but you cannot beat real faders.
I opted for a Faderport in the end, but often wonder whether it was the right decision?

Raven stuff, in windows is supported by UPDD which is a touchscreen command control software for progamming gestures.
If you use a touchscreen and want to deploy some gestures you can buy UPDD from here.

Home

www.touch-base.com

However to program gestures yourself is another can of worms unless you are reasonably competent with the software, (yet another learning curve)
I use a small touch screen just for Vst's and a faderport as a way of escaping the mouse or laptop pad, it can be an expensive game tho'.
Just in passing this following article might be worth a quick read, before you commit to blowing any hard earned cash.

https://www.interactive-scape.com/b...we-compare-the-most-common-touch-technologies

That SSL 360 setup sounds a smart move
Interesting stuff reading how other folk approach go about doing this kinda thing.

Regards

 

[lokeyfly]

Thanks sintil8 for the UPDD Touch info. Oh, I agree for tactile usage, using the right hardware when necessary. On my signature, I show the Faderport 8 which will continue to handle my needs. Largely for mixing in the bus domain. A touchscreen will help in the overall mixing of channels, VST editing, and who knows what else. Studio One is very touch savvy compared to some other DAW's. A very good thing.

I read a helpful hint from someone that a generic touchscreen also benefits particularly with Studio One when using the macro bars in place of Slate's batch processing bars that run along the bottom. That makes perfect sense, and I use my own custom macros quite a lot. So its basically a better custom alternative. So I'm definately going to drop the Raven option. The Raven would be great for an absolute lot of time on mixing. And as we all know, that would be bessed served with tactile hardware anyway. The Slate Raven has a place for some, but I think the alternative and newer touchscreen monitors on the market are very good. Even slicker in design (maneuverability, smaller bevel, greater display) options.

There's a couple of monitors I'm eyeballing, and they range quite a bit in price. 27", mostly between $450 to $900. The higher end tend to be geared more towards stylus users, although most work with a stylus quite well. They have built in cameras, and 4K which I really don't need at all. So I'm favoring something that's in the $500 range.

BTW, if this thread is deemed best served in another section of the forum, feel free to relocate it.

 

[sintil8]

What you say about the macro bar makes complete sense, to be honest it never crossed my mind. aaah a eureka moment, note to myself do the macro toolbars detatch I need to look in the manual.... bugger.
If not looks like a feature request.

I have a 19 inch glass panel, which I prefer to the matt finish screens, although reflective when switched off is not a problem at about 45 degree below my main monitor. I sympathize about kicking the Raven down the road, although they now have an SO1 template on offer it's a lot of cash to part with unless you are mixing round the clock so to speak.
I find having Vst's off the main screen a great feature and as I flip channels the Vst updates to match. I could have the mixer on the TScreen but to be honest on a 19 inch screen it becomes a bit of a fiddle. The 27 inch or larger should be a good option, plus you will get a good workout on your shoulder muscles. don't worry it's just my sense of humour.

Best regards

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[lokeyfly]

Ah, thanks for pointing out my sig doesn't have the FP8. My bad, I'm living in the past (Jethro Tull). I had the FP8 in my sig in the old forum. The pitcher of beer is on me.
Good, I'm glad I promoted that thought about the Studio One macro bars as a touch supplement. They're pretty great even as docked and out of the way.

Thanks on the reflective surface mention. I'm trying to sense that as well. I'm a bit of a clean freak, so no matter as the surface will always be smudge free, but there's that durability factor and potential "ding, oops" factor.
The Raven monitors are a hard glass-like surface, so that's probably the best choice you have as well.

I stopped yesterday at a large computer store here in NYC to get some hands-on. They didn't have what I was looking for, but I still managed to bag 64 gig of ram (really cheap!). Always looking out for bettering the system. ; )

 

[daw stew]

Thanks sintil8 for the UPDD Touch info. Oh, I agree for tactile usage, using the right hardware when necessary. On my signature, I show the Faderport 8 which will continue to handle my needs. Largely for mixing in the bus domain. A touchscreen will help in the overall mixing of channels, VST editing, and who knows what else. Studio One is very touch savvy compared to some other DAW's. A very good thing.

I read a helpful hint from someone that a generic touchscreen also benefits particularly with Studio One when using the macro bars in place of Slate's batch processing bars that run along the bottom. That makes perfect sense, and I use my own custom macros quite a lot. So its basically a better custom alternative. So I'm definately going to drop the Raven option. The Raven would be great for an absolute lot of time on mixing. And as we all know, that would be bessed served with tactile hardware anyway. The Slate Raven has a place for some, but I think the alternative and newer touchscreen monitors on the market are very good. Even slicker in design (maneuverability, smaller bevel, greater display) options.

There's a couple of monitors I'm eyeballing, and they range quite a bit in price. 27", mostly between $450 to $900. The higher end tend to be geared more towards stylus users, although most work with a stylus quite well. They have built in cameras, and 4K which I really don't need at all. So I'm favoring something that's in the $500 range.

BTW, if this thread is deemed best served in another section of the forum, feel free to relocate it.

I have been using the detached macro toolbar on my touchscreen as a way to mimic the Raven batch commander. Here's a tip. The macro toolbar can be viewed horizontally or vertically, so if you struggle to see a lot of macros switch to vertical. Don't forget you can have multiple macro pages, so what I've done is dedicated pages to specific parts of creating music. I have a dedicated editing page, a recording page and a mixing page.
Also, here's a really useful but unknown fantastic workflow for Studio One and a touchscreen. We all know that there is an Apple and Android app for tablets and phones called Studio One Remote but you may not know that there is also a Windows version. I have it installed on my PC and it sits on my touchscreen. I can mix from it, control the transport and fire off all kinds of commands from the tiled view section. Very useful piece of kit. Between Studio One Remote and SSL 360 I have my touch setup perfected. I'm going to sell my Faderport 16 as I have no use for it anymore
Lokefly I'd really seeing links to those 4k touch screen monitors you mentioned. I like my Acer t272 but I'd like a bigger monitor with a sharp resolution

 

[daw stew]

What you say about the macro bar makes complete sense, to be honest it never crossed my mind. aaah a eureka moment, note to myself do the macro toolbars detatch I need to look in the manual.... bugger.
If not looks like a feature request.

I have a 19 inch glass panel, which I prefer to the matt finish screens, although reflective when switched off is not a problem at about 45 degree below my main monitor. I sympathize about kicking the Raven down the road, although they now have an SO1 template on offer it's a lot of cash to part with unless you are mixing round the clock so to speak.
I find having Vst's off the main screen a great feature and as I flip channels the Vst updates to match. I could have the mixer on the TScreen but to be honest on a 19 inch screen it becomes a bit of a fiddle. The 27 inch or larger should be a good option, plus you will get a good workout on your shoulder muscles. don't worry it's just my sense of humour.

Best regards

By the way your sig does not mention any FPort. ?
................................................................................................................................copy and paste your sig.....................................................................................................

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Yes the macro toolbar can be detached. It can also be viewed vertically as well as horizontally. I use it to mimic the Slate batch commander. Saves a lot of money

 

[sintil8]

Yes the macro toolbar can be detached. It can also be viewed vertically as well as horizontally. I use it to mimic the Slate batch commander. Saves a lot of money

This is all good info for me, cheers to both of you.

I'm playing catch up having jumped from SO1 ver 5.
I had hoped to stay on SO1 v6 and read the old forum for all the good stuff in 6 over it's life cycle.
When the old forum got erased I decided to go straight to V7, So I am on the learning curve and revisiting old habits. I keep meaning to transfer all my old Macro's I used in ver 5, mind you a lot of them would probably be redundant with my current setup.

I know about the Remote app so that is yet another option I will be looking into that as well, ta for throwing it out there!
My to do list gets longer every day.

From what I remember when I searched over the last 12 months a 4K T/Screen above 27inch is serious money, increasingly so if you are after OLED, anyway I am sure you know all that.

Best regards...
be interesting to revisit this if you sort out a screen, might help others on this road.

 

[lokeyfly]

......Don't forget you can have multiple macro pages, so what I've done is dedicated pages to specific parts of creating music. I have a dedicated editing page, a recording page and a mixing page.

Same here! The customization, and creating dedicated macro panels/sections is excellent.

Lokefly I'd really seeing links to those 4k touch screen monitors you mentioned. I like my Acer t272 but I'd like a bigger monitor with a sharp resolution

Will do, I'm trying to gather what's useful. A lot of the info doesn't display DAW usage, so while most of it is just logical, I'm looking for that sweet spot of no internal cameras, and I don't feel I need 4K. So it's sort of hit or miss, and drudge through a lot of over talkative reviews. I have you in mind to share that stuff already.
I'm trying to find anything from:
Acer, Dell, Viewsonic, Phillips, etc.
Two obscure companies but look interesting are innocn (27p1uPpro) $299
and
Alogic (Clarity Pro) a but pricey at $950.

The innocn looks to have most of what the Alogic Pro has for way less $$$. is 4K, and up to 1000 nits - (450 nits typ.). So I'm liking that. I think I saw their 32" version for around $500-ish.

https://youtu.be/-dHRLCX4bJQ?si=y69LQU8MqAjy41Vh


https://www.amazon.com/INNOCN-Speak...cphy=9051874&hvtargid=pla-2281435179338&psc=1

Alogic Clarity Pro.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8JG47BL?tag=track-ect5-usa-593984-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1

Tonight I'll be hunting for DAW specific recommendations. My guess is monitors may be a little dated. Maybe a little pre mature to send this info but to be continued.

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Update: the innocn (27p1uPpro) $299 is currently not available. It was yesterday, but they look to now be sold out. The 32" version comes in a different stand and is not as user fri3ndly with the same working angles.

Not posting anything worthwhile yet, as it appears to be a real hack weeding through models. However if something worthwhile in a touchscreen looks good, ill link it.

 

[sintil8]

More on that UPDD software and SO1

Something that I found late last night about UPDD and the TUIO server has a SO1 preset.
Which to me looks like out of the box you get some touch features, such as two finger tap to magnify and move screen area scroll when magnified. They have also been in contact with SO1 devs about a bug which is interesting?
Instructions for setting up in SO1

Studio One

support.touch-base.com

Without setting this up and testing I am making an assumption so it's buyer beware as to how well it works.

Regards

Edit.
PS. I never did read idiot manual... is this TUIO a mac thing?

 

[lokeyfly]

Buyer beware on all this cr@p! "This whole courtroom is out of order!" - Pacino
But thanks for sending sintil8 as gesturing can be very useful.

@ Dawstew: your Acer seems to be in a very good place, so good choice there. The larger 32" touch monitors that are 4K take a real hike in price. And something like a 1920×1080 at 32" is not effectively going to be as sharp as a 27".

I should have grabbed the innocn (27p1uPpro) $299 the other day, but I'm just leaning what is available. This time of year, such deals go fast.

Dell seems to have a useful assortment of 27" z 32" touchscreen monitors. Although not 4K, so that's a judgement call.

Viewsonic typically have that large bevel, of about 3/4" all around. It's not grabbing me.

I'm begining to think go cheap, and let availability catch up. Get something in a "27 1920 x 1080. Dunno.

 

[sintil8]

Installed the SO1 remote app and gave it a very brief run... Nice, this will be very usefull, thanks again for that @daw stew
I also have the UPDD (windows ver) called "UPDD Commander" installed and the 2 finger tap works straight out of the box and using a two finger touch and glide moves the magnification area around which makes the smaller features more accessible on my 19 inch screen.
So for the small cost of the UPDD software some of the shortcomings of having a smaller touch screen are less of a problem.

@lokeyfly I spent days wondering around looking at monitors and the picture quality in the flesh surprised me by how much the picture quality varied across brands, although the spec of the monitors I was looking at were very similar in their spec's.
I know this is of little help. I suppose I'm saying don't throw good money after bad by buying something you will not feel satisfied with.
I've done that over the years.

Anyway gonna toddle off, regards

 

[Craig Anderton]

I've been using a Planar touchscreen for about 5 years with Windows. I don't use it much for mixing, but find it very helpful for editing effects and VIs because you can vary multiple parameters at once (e.g., filter cutoff and envelope amount, or delay feedback and mix). The bundled PreSonus plugins work very well with touch, not all third-party ones do. Accommodating a QWERTY keyboard is a challenge but the Windows onscreen keyboard (which offers multiple configurations) is convenient, as is the option to enable an onscreen touchpad.

In addition to using a touch keyboard, GestureSign is a free Windows-only app. It lets you define custom touch gestures, and then map them to application commands and/or keystrokes. For example, moving three fingers from left to right could map to a keyboard shortcut or macro.

 

[daw stew]

I've been using a Planar touchscreen for about 5 years with Windows. I don't use it much for mixing, but find it very helpful for editing effects and VIs because you can vary multiple parameters at once (e.g., filter cutoff and envelope amount, or delay feedback and mix). The bundled PreSonus plugins work very well with touch, not all third-party ones do. Accommodating a QWERTY keyboard is a challenge but the Windows onscreen keyboard (which offers multiple configurations) is convenient, as is the option to enable an onscreen touchpad.

In addition to using a touch keyboard, GestureSign is a free Windows-only app. It lets you define custom touch gestures, and then map them to application commands and/or keystrokes. For example, moving three fingers from left to right could map to a keyboard shortcut or macro.

Thanks Craig, I'll investigate the Gesture Sign app.
How do you manage to accurately edit with a touchscreen? For me editing audio is the most difficult area of using a touchscreen as I can't see the mouse cursor and don't really know what I'm going to interact with until I touch the screen
For me where the touchscreen came into its own was combining Studio One with the SSL 360 app as a way to mimic mixing on an analog console. I don't have the space for the SSL control surfaces, but to be fair, I don't need them as the touch screen gives me complete control over all the channel strips

 

[Craig Anderton]

I don't try to edit parameters like Gain Envelopes or do cut/paste on audio, I use touch mostly for editing signal processor and virtual instrument controls. Touch also allows for two-handed operation, with one hand using touch for "big gestures" (like scrolling or zooming) and the other hand using the mouse for precision.

I do like that you can make really long-throw onscreen faders for touch. However, I still use a Faderport because I sometimes mix with my eyes closed and do subtle rhythmic variations with the faders. It adds a "feel" that I find appealing, and I can't do this without physical faders. (Credit where credit is due: When doing session work at CBS studios in the 70s, I learned this technique from the engineer who mixed "Brandy [You're a Fine Girl].")