Solved Timing issue when I shut off plugins everything out of time

[LockdAwg]

Please Help

I'm trying to figure out whats going on When I turn off the plugins on this bus or switch the routing to main my whole song goes out of time from the metronome, it's routed to a vocal bus I think that was a mistake even if I mute the track it doesn't go out of the time. I'm very confused why this would have any effect on the timing it's supposed to be a parallel compression for guitar.

Studio One V5
Windows 11
Universal audio Apollo twin

 

[Trucky]

Welcome to the Forum!

Follow these troubleshooting steps...
1. Turn off all the plugins in the bus.
2. Enable one of them followed by disabling the main insert to the bus and check timing sync with the metronome.
3. Repeat step 2 with each of the remaining plugins until you hear timing is out of sync.

Report back the results.

 

[LockdAwg]

Welcome to the Forum!

Follow these troubleshooting steps...
1. Turn off all the plugins in the bus.
2. Enable one of them followed by disabling the main insert to the bus and check timing sync with the metronome.
3. Repeat step 2 with each of the remaining plugins until you hear timing is out of sync.

Report back the results.

Thanks for the reply

what do you mean by disabling the main insert to the bus and check timing sync (there is multiple guitars feeding into this bus)

say I find the plugin causing issue how does this solve my problem the whole song is now timed around the out of sync metronome.

 

[Trucky]

what do you mean by disabling the main insert to the bus and check timing sync

You said the issue happened when you turned off the plugins on this bus so I assumed you were talking about the main insert for the bus.



When troubleshooting, it's critical to determine the root cause. If it's a certain plugin then you can focus on why it's throwing off the timing.

Posting a link to a video of the issue you're reporting would help...
Updating your signature (see link in mine) with your system specs is helpful too...

 

[LockdAwg]

Video for reference It's almost as if to me something funky is happening with the side chaining and routing with the busses it's just very confusing why the whole metronome goes completely haywire I've essentially been timing everything with the haywire metronome so it's hard to even know what's right any more

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[Trucky]

Sorry, the video resolution makes it really hard to see what's going on..
Also, we need to see your system specs in case the issue is related to system resources.
Add them to your signature (see link in mine) and you won't have to repost with new questions.

 

[LockdAwg]

Sorry, the video resolution makes it really hard to see what's going on..
Also, we need to see your system specs if the issue is related to system resources.
Add them to your signature (see link in mine) and you won't have to repost with new questions.

Thanks

I've added to my signature and zoomed in on the video note the resolution can be raised to 4k.

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[FMN-Music]

- Route your GroupBus to the MixBus (as you intented to do)
- Create an empty "Dummy" Track that is routed to your MixBus.
- Open the last plugin of the GroupBus insert, that uses a sidechain input
- Select the "Dummy" track as an additional sidechain input for this plugin.
- If this doesn't do it, try other sidechain activated plugins in the chain

That might fix the latency issue.

 

[lokeyfly]

Great points towards trouble shooting from Trucky and FMN-Music. Hey, just adding, are you using on board fX from your UA Apollo Twin and outboard (within Studio One) fx on your bus? There might be latency issues that way. Also, why are you using a haywire metronome? Seems there might be a convolution issue with timing there alone. Particularly between on/off monitoring of the bus and other effects elsewhere?

The way the guys described, you need to check each item at a time. I'd start with that metronome with one effect, both on and off and check for timing differences right there, initially. Compare with Studio One's metronome. Seems like a good start.

 

[LockdAwg]

Great points towards trouble shooting from Trucky and FMN-Music. Hey, just adding, are you using on board fX from your UA Apollo Twin and outboard (within Studio One) fx on your bus? There might be latency issues that way. Also, why are you using a haywire metronome? Seems there might be a convolution issue with timing there alone. Particularly between on/off monitoring of the bus and other effects elsewhere?

The way the guys described, you need to check each item at a time. I'd start with that metronome with one effect, both on and off and check for timing differences right there, initially. Compare with Studio One's metronome. Seems like a good start.

I'm just using the term haywire to describe how my S1 metronome goes out of time when I turn off the inserts

 

[lokeyfly]

Got it. Lol. What, there's no haywire metronome?

I think the devil will be in the details of those cross comparisons though. Start with what works, and add until haywire starts. Not sure why the metronome would be out. It won't be, so that should be you're guide unless you're getting a false reading such as latency off of monitoring.

 

[LockdAwg]

I think I figured it out, my theory, I was creating long side chain trains which were Increasing the latency on the guitars. To compensate for this latency I actually moved the guitar waveform forward. To fix it I routed the bus correctly and moved the affected wave forms back to their correct position.

 

[lokeyfly]

I think I figured it out, my theory, I was creating long side chain trains which were Increasing the latency on the guitars. To compensate for this latency I actually moved the guitar waveform forward. To fix it I routed the bus correctly and moved the affected wave forms back to their correct position.

Good call. Stay on it, and let us know either way. Thx.