Square Plugin Buttons Like Pro Tools (Mock-Up Included)

[jstudio]

New feature request:
Square Plugin Buttons Like Pro Tools (see attached mock-up)
This will save on precious space. You can still tell what plugins they are. You can easily switch back & forth with a menu button.
In most cases you don't need the bypass button, etc. & you can just use a bypass shortcut!

Please up vote this, it would be excellent:

Square Plugin Buttons Like Pro Tools (Mock-Up Included) | Look and Feel | PreSonus Studio One Pro+

Square Plugin Buttons Like Pro Tools (see attached mock-up) This will save on precious space. You can still tell what plugins they are. You can easily switch back & forth with a m...

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[jstudio]

Please also upvote this one:

K-14 Metering On Tracks Like Pro Tools | Mixing | PreSonus Studio One Pro+

K-14 (K-20, K-12) metering directly on track meters like Pro Tools has...

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K-14 (K-20, K-12) metering directly on track meters like Pro Tools has

 

[jstudio]

Also this one please:

Hide the plugin/folder info bar in Browse menu | Look and Feel | PreSonus Studio One Pro+

Hi, I posted this on the forum, please implement this feature. -- It doesn't seem like it's possible to hide the bottom info bar in the Browse menu? e.g. on FabFilter folder - t...

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Hide the plugin/folder info bar in Browse menu​

What's in this info box?
- Plugin Name (the name is already there)
- Vendor (the Vendor is already there on the folder)
- FX (it's already there)
- VST3 (it's already there)
- empty grey space
- website (everyone also knows)

The info bar at the bottom is unnecessarily obscurring the plugin list.
On a laptop it's worse than his larger screen - 26 plugins visible, 7 are obscurred by the box
There would be about 33 plugins visible.
7 out of 33 as a percentage is approximately 21.21% screen real estate

 

[jstudio]

Wow, wonderful!?!?!? Instead someone has downvoted them?!?!?!

The Mixer wont fit on a stretched bar monitor otherwise:

 

[jstudio]

Someone downvoted the K-14 metering on tracks also, and yet others (I think it was Quanta, https://quantaaudio.com, https://www.youtube.com/@quantaaudio 50K followers for S1 tutorials!!!) are having to use the S1 Level Meter & displaying the K- digits in the expanded plugin above:

K-20 on tracks, K-14 on the master!!!!!

SO WHY ARE YOU DOWNVOTING???

 

[parityflux]

I would definitely like K-metering at least on busses. I have never needed it on a track, but that's just me.

On the plugin buttons, meh for me. If I was to suggest a change to the plugins, I'd want an option to set so single-clicking opened them instead of expanding. I really hate that. Very rare for me to want quick access like that. I'd rather right-click to set that view up. I don't think that software should try to strive to look like another software and there are probably enough that agree that somewhere along the line, the tiny boxes, like Protools, was downvoted. Nothing to worry about, that's why there is voting in the first place: it works for some and not others.

 

[jstudio]

I would definitely like K-metering at least on busses. I have never needed it on a track, but that's just me.

On the plugin buttons, meh for me. If I was to suggest a change to the plugins, I'd want an option to set so single-clicking opened them instead of expanding. I really hate that. Very rare for me to want quick access like that. I'd rather right-click to set that view up. I don't think that software should try to strive to look like another software and there are probably enough that agree that somewhere along the line, the tiny boxes, like Protools, was downvoted. Nothing to worry about, that's why there is voting in the first place: it works for some and not others.

Hi, I was using S1 with recording yesteryday, and somehow K- metering was available directly on the tracks - but only with the record button enable(?). However, it stopped working shortly afterwards. No idea what happened (real time update from a developer, or something?)

Directly on tracks: the level has to be way below the 0dB mark. Otherwise it's a massive build up of level. Especially with K-14 on the master channel.
Therefore not 1 single channel will be anywhere near the 0dB mark. So the level meters are all tiny. Where are they going to be, about -20 on average?

So why not have K-20 on tracks then? It gives you tons of headroom. You can see the metering better on the tracks (i.e. metering resolution).
It's just 0dB = -20dB

On tracks the level is never meant to be anywhere near 0dB.

--

Here's the difference between 11 plugins - and the huge amount of space they take up.
They also then fit directly on the arrangement view pretty nicely.

As mentioned above, having a big long list is not viable for a 'streched bar screen' (e.g. Corsair Xeneon Edge) that sit below your main monitor (that are becoming more common).

 

[jstudio]

Here's an example session from MusicTech:
All the track levels are below -24dB (so why not K-20)

You can use the K- metering like a VU meter also - at that scale. It's easier to see around where -16 -18 -14 is

 

[jstudio]

Here's a K-20 meter & then a K-14.

K-20 on tracks: +2dB over 0 = -18dBFS (i.e. VU)

K-14: on tracks to get 0 VU = the -4dB marker exactly

RMS: it's somewhere between -12 and -24 (a 12dB gap for some reason)

 

[Gary Shepherd]

Can't seem to access the Feature Requests. I would probably upvote the Info Bar one - not sure I care about the others. But not much use if you can't access the Feature Requests.

 

[parityflux]

Can't seem to access the Feature Requests. I would probably upvote the Info Bar one - not sure I care about the others. But not much use if you can't access the Feature Requests.

If you hadn't logged in for a while and are getting a web error, then delete your Presonus cookies, and reauthorize.

 

[Gary Shepherd]

OK - done and upvoted the Info Bar request.

 

[lokeyfly]

New feature request:
Square Plugin Buttons Like Pro Tools (see attached mock-up)
This will save on precious space.

That it would. Only there are times I want to expand or minimize particular plugins. The plugin stack needs to be clear as to which plugin is expanded (not necessarily fully opened). How would they coexist? You have some tracks with plugin buttons, and others that are switched off. The view becomes a little convoluted if I'm honest.

You can still tell what plugins they are. You can easily switch back & forth with a menu button.

You can tell in a very generic way. What if 2 compressors, or two reverbs, or two limiters form a stack group of plugins? Which type they are is way too limiting to view at a glance. You might not tell at all.

In most cases you don't need the bypass button, etc. & you can just use a bypass shortcut!

In all too many cases, a full bypass button is needed. What, as apposed to opening each plug to then turn them on or off? That, to actually compare what the series of plugins are doing? Maybe for your needs, but not for a lot of others during mix situations.

As someone mentioned, I'd like to see a reverse fie one click open, 2 click expand of existing plugins. Just saying.

As to k system for busses, I won't add any points. I'm strictly TP as I need to see metering in that way.

You mentioned later how anyone can vote something down. Well, that is their prerogative. Up or down. I've never voted on anyone's FR a down, ever. But I think it's fair to allow people to have a say. They might well provide useful points what those feature tradeoffs are. Basically, what I'm pointing to here. Only I'd rather spell those differences out, or provide suggestions right here. It makes for a better discussion. I've use PT and have on and off since its inception but I dont see the square plugin buttons as much of a benefit. 2 letter characters from a name can actually be seriously limiting to I.D.. Particularly if they have a Waves SSL-G on one channel, a Plugin Alliance SSL-E on another (or whatever), a particular unknown compressor on some with a particular unknown compressor on another. It can be counter informative. But hey, that's why we have options. I'll just stay away from voting on this and will be quite T'd if the bypass button is removed (as you suggested).
I'm open for any discussion on this though.

 

[jstudio]

Hi lokeyfly,

Regarding multiple of the same plugins: you know the order, so it's Limiter [first / 1] & Limiter [second / 2]
Different brands, there would need to be thought-out naming (except Pro Tools only has 1 letter, and still the "masters" of audio make use them all the time).
You have to then learn the short naming - for your personal use. I went with 3 letters max.

You can assign a shortcut to switch between full plugin view & squares. Or a Stream Deck style button.

You use a shortcut button + click instead of just clicking on the bypass button.

Yes, the track meters as they are are almost useless. Just making sure that they don't peak (when really no one should be anywhere near peaking on tracks).

Others aren't happy with even the existing peak measurements, FYI:

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With K-14 it's at least easier for monitoring -18dBFS / VU for outboard & analog plugins (-4)
[+ pre-fader would have been good for the production stage, at least / note: Pro Tools is used heavily with recording]
RMS (which K-14 is) can be used instead of the slower VU timings also, for analog gear. So at least they'd be useful.

However, I'm working with a plugin developer to get full VU meters all together, for my stretched bar display now, like a console, instead.
So I don't have a need, I've found something better.

I wont be using the S1 Mixer anymore anyway. I've found alternatives.

 

[daw stew]

Here's an example session from MusicTech:
All the track levels are below -24dB (so why not K-20)

You can use the K- metering like a VU meter also - at that scale. It's easier to see around where -16 -18 -14 is

Here's an idea for a Feature Request. In your screen shot you've got multiple plugins on one track, you can tell this by the plugins being tabbed at the top of the plugin gui.
What I'd like to see is the blue on/off and the bypass buttons next to the tabbed plugin name. That way you could easily turn any of the plugins on/off without having to open the particular plugins gui

 

[lokeyfly]

Hi lokeyfly,

Regarding multiple of the same plugins: you know the order, so it's Limiter [first / 1] & Limiter [second / 2]
Different brands, there would need to be thought-out naming (except Pro Tools only has 1 letter, and still the "masters" of audio make use them all the time).
You have to then learn the short naming - for your personal use. I went with 3 letters max.

Order: I dont hold to any plugin order. Most of my channel strips allow for various reordering of some logical ways. Waves Omni Channel, and the McDSP 6060 do this masterfully.
Brands: I rename quite a bit now fir visability. Particularly with those long Plugin Alliance bx_Console names. The bx plug names are so long that the actual plugin type, is off to the right to be in full view. 3 char names would never work in my workflow and likely require opening to even know what is there.

You can assign a shortcut to switch between full plugin view & squares. Or a Stream Deck style button.

Right, you mentioned. I'd still need a global track bypass. I still think some tracks with squares and others with the standard look appears wonky. However, if I'm seeing it through, having standard panels shown along some tracks could be a quick visual indicator that those standard tracks need attention or are in an editing phase. So that might be useful.

You use a shortcut button + click instead of just clicking on the bypass button.

If I'm selecting a track first, yeah, a shortcut could be arranged for bypass.

Yes, the track meters as they are are almost useless. Just making sure that they don't peak (when really no one should be anywhere near peaking on tracks).

I haven't felt they're useless, but if that works for some, great. Some K metering helps ballistics, and varied on what the user wants to see. i.e. percussion, strings, what processing is doing, pre or post fader, etc. Might all differ. Leaving K metering alone. I use a lot of outboard gear and TP is best for my needs. I, just used to it. Although I'd like to see Studio One have its own peak indicator per channel. I recomend the MVMeter2. Yes, its not open all of the time, but works well on a whole. Excellent ballistics and fairly good adjustments. I'd like Studio One to adopt much better metering though, just to keep things self contained. Only they dont, and its been years their not doing a thing. I dont understand this. Still....

Good luck, just the same.

 

[jstudio]

bx_console SSL 4000 E = S4E
bx_console SSL 4000 E = S4G
bx_console AMEK 9099 = AM9
bx_console SSL 9000 J = S9J
bx_console N = bcN
bx_console Focusrite SC = bcF
bx_townhouse Buss Compressor = TBC (THC, bxT)
Lindell Audio 80 Series = L80 or 80S
Lindell Audio 50 Series = L50 or 50S

Fabfilter Pro-Q4 = PQ4 or just Q4
etc.

You know what plugins you’ve put onto your tracks.

It’s already available & used in Pro Tools.
This is Andrew Scheps using squares with single letters:

You (or me, Andrew Scheps, etc.) could do everything from the arrangement view if there were squares:

The meters are available in the arrangement view.

TBH I don't understand about the 'order'? It's exactly the same as the existing order of plugins.

Goes left to right:
FL, Ga, GD, IRM (1, 2, 3, 4)
Mt, Mv, MD, OA (5 6 7 8)
PM Ph Pip (9 10 11)

Multiple of the same plugins = Ga (1) Ga (2) is just based off the order(?)

 

[jstudio]

Different SSL 4000 E/G compressors:

Waves SSL E-Channel = E-C or ECh

Just make something up that's memorable/learnable.

Better than Pro Tools single letter (but they know what plugins they're using, so it works)

 

[jstudio]

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With squares:

 

[jstudio]

Bypass plugins shortcut is already available:

Command+Click (Mac) or Control+Click (PC) directly on a plugin's name in the Inserts section of the Console will toggle its bypass status on or off.

Then it's blue for on, grey for off.