Sound Variations Hard-Limited to 16 per Instrument?

[TonalDynamics]

Hey guys,



I'm setting up some Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 templates in my DAW and I'm adding more than 16 instruments;

As far as I understand it, Sound Variations are bound to each MIDI channel per instrument, e.g. if you have a piccolo track and a flute track, and they are both on channel 1, selecting the Flute SV will also make it appear on the Piccolo track, and vice versa; they overwrite each other.

Has anyone discovered a workaround to this?

I know that Studio One generally does not allow more than 16 MIDI channel inputs per instrument (all on PORT A), but I vaguely remember somehow being able to access more channels in the past... in any case VEPro 7 is only offering me the default 16 MIDI channel inputs per instrument.

Thanks in advance!

JB

 

[Lukas]

MIDI only has 16 channels per port - that's not a Studio One limitation, that's just how MIDI is designed. To use more channels, you need to use the additional ports (only available for VST3 plug-ins, VST2 cannot do this).

As far as I understand it, Sound Variations are bound to each MIDI channel per instrument, e.g. if you have a piccolo track and a flute track, and they are both on channel 1, selecting the Flute SV will also make it appear on the Piccolo track, and vice versa; they overwrite each other.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Can you explain more? Do you want to switch between different instruments, like the flute and piccolo, using SVs?

If you use VE Pro to control different instruments and two tracks are assigned to the same MIDI channel (and same VE Pro instance, of course), then both tracks basically control the same instrument. I'm not sure what the use case would be or how this is connected with using SVs.

I'm sure your use case makes sense, I just don't get it

 

[TonalDynamics]

MIDI only has 16 channels per port - that's not a Studio One limitation, that's just how MIDI is designed. To use more channels, you need to use the additional ports (only available for VST3 plug-ins, VST2 cannot do this).


Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Can you explain more? Do you want to switch between different instruments, like the flute and piccolo, using SVs?

If you use VE Pro to control different instruments and two tracks are assigned to the same MIDI channel (and same VE Pro instance, of course), then both tracks basically control the same instrument. I'm not sure what the use case would be or how this is connected with using SVs.

I'm sure your use case makes sense, I just don't get it

Hey Luke!

Sure, lemme try to be more clear here with my design intent:

So I'm triggering Berlin WW multies within VEP7, but since I'm out of input channels/instruments, I'd theoretically have to re-use an instrument input channel within S1, so I just arbitrarily chose Ch. 1 (which was Piccolo).

As I understand it, this would mean the sound variations would come in on the same listen channel (1), but would be free to send different trigger/activation sequences (I simply set my VEP7 instances to 'All' to facilitate this).

It's the 'per channel' way that Sound Variations work that are limiting me a bit here.

Incidentally though, I just checked and was shocked to find that all my Vienna plugins within the DAW were in fact VST2... except the 'Surround' plugin and sure enough, a bagillion MIDI channels appeared when I loaded it in.

So there's that 'vague memory' of having access to more channels solved!

So looks like simply using the vst3/surround version of the VEP7 plugins and reconnecting each VEP7 instance to them might be the answer...
(Unsure if there would be any drawbacks to this)

Thanks for the nudge, homie