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Show only MIDI belonging to part in edit page.

imported a song from Dorico (midi) into studio one. When I go to the edit page of a part, midi notes of other tracks/part also show up. This only happens when I copy a part to another song that I'm working on. So this must be a setting somewhere, right? Where to find it? I don't have multiple tracks selected, in case you are wondering ;-) Thanks Robert

Windows 11, Studio One Pro 7
 
Hi and welcome,

To view only one specific part in the Note Editor, double-click that part in the arrangement.

Amazing thanks a lot :)
I'm trying to understand the logic behind this, is this explained somewhere in the help?
I tried looking for it, but could not find anything related.

Thanks again for helping, much appreciated.
Robert
 
I find the whole Midi part of Studio One frustrating - I don't understand why when you want to edit Midi in an instrument track, you have to have the "event" selected in the Arranger. And if you want to move on to the next "event" you can't just scroll along in the Edit window. You have to come out of Edit and then click on the "event" in the Arranger, and then go back into Edit. Unless I have missed something.

Also, sometimes I select certain notes, and try and transpose, and often it moves all the notes in the event - not just the ones selected. So overall, having been used to Midi editing in Opcode Vision and Digital Performer, the Presonus Studio One methodology is frustrating and, to me, a bit unintuitive.

I have started merging all Midi events in a track, but still get issues when I try to edit notes.

If it's a complicated set of Midi editing, I often just export the Midi Events and do them in Digital Performer. It is quicker and easier, there is List Editing and close editing of other track data such as pan and volume events.

So it could be me - but am I missing something in Midi editing in Studio One?
 
I find the whole Midi part of Studio One frustrating - I don't understand why when you want to edit Midi in an instrument track, you have to have the "event" selected in the Arranger. And if you want to move on to the next "event" you can't just scroll along in the Edit window. You have to come out of Edit and then click on the "event" in the Arranger, and then go back into Edit. Unless I have missed something.
I rarely if ever have to do that. You can stay in the Edit view, then select the next region to the right. The region is typically grayed out unless selected. If the region isn't visible or readily available to the right (or left), click the W or E key to re scale the view until the desired region (region, being event) is visible). Its all very quick and easy to navigate, actually. There is no need to close the edit window.

If the event to select is on a different track, you can also select the track list from the edit window. I rarely use that method unless I want to select several tracks and show them together in the edit view.
Anyway, give it a try.
Also, sometimes I select certain notes, and try and transpose, and often it moves all the notes in the event - not just the ones selected. So overall, having been used to Midi editing in Opcode Vision and Digital Performer, the Presonus Studio One methodology is frustrating and, to me, a bit unintuitive.
This, I have not ever experienced. Maybe you could show this in a video. What I will see is some notes moving in an event that are just compensating by the GUI rendering. They move visually, only but effectively are not changing. You can verify that by opening the event. But you may be witnessing something else. A video would be helpful for that.
I have started merging all Midi events in a track, but still get issues when I try to edit notes.

If it's a complicated set of Midi editing, I often just export the Midi Events and do them in Digital Performer. It is quicker and easier, there is List Editing and close editing of other track data such as pan and volume events.
I think your just finding Performer easier for your workflow, but I'm not all sure you'd need to.
So it could be me - but am I missing something in Midi editing in Studio One?
Studio One isnt the end all for me either when it comes to the smoothest of editing, but I'm just not going to resort to another DAW, but in some ways, I get your point, particularly with Autoscroll (another subject). It's also possible in my case, that I'm just more critical than I used to be with previous DAW's of note positioning. I'm not a fan of quantization, unless perhaps groove quantize is being used, and even then, I just don't find quantize a musical benefit for my stuff of course.

A lot of note manipulation in Studio One can even be faster than in other DAW's though. For instance, highlight several notes, have the inspector open, and without even clicking on a field, mouse over and the scroll wheel us instantly active to change timing, pitch, or whatever. Other DAW's require clicking on the field first.

BTW, Opcode was also any early sequencer for me as well 👍. As well as the incredibly brilliant Bill Southworth's Total Music, MIDI Paint, and Jambox/4, which was way ahead of any sequencer layout at the time. Pink Floyd, Herbie Hancock and just a small handful also in on the ground floor of Southworth, thought so, too.
Good stuff.
 
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I find the whole Midi part of Studio One frustrating - I don't understand why when you want to edit Midi in an instrument track, you have to have the "event" selected in the Arranger.
You don't have to do that. You can also use the Track List in the Note Editor to select the track(s) you want to edit.

And if you want to move on to the next "event" you can't just scroll along in the Edit window. You have to come out of Edit and then click on the "event" in the Arranger, and then go back into Edit. Unless I have missed something.
Not really. You can perfectly scroll along in the Edit window to focus the next event/part.

Also, sometimes I select certain notes, and try and transpose, and often it moves all the notes in the event - not just the ones selected.
This should not happen. Make sure that the Note Editor is in focus. Otherwise, if you select the event in the arrangement and apply a musical action, it will be applied - as you say - to the whole event. But as long as you have a note selection and the focus is on the Editor, only selected notes will be edited.

If you run into this again, please make a screen recording and share it here. Then we can take a look and see if it's a bug or a user error.
 
Not really. You can perfectly scroll along in the Edit window to focus the next event/part.
This does seem to have changed - but that works now - I have had trouble with this in the past but it seems to work for me now - thanks.

This should not happen. Make sure that the Note Editor is in focus. Otherwise, if you select the event in the arrangement and apply a musical action, it will be applied - as you say - to the whole event. But as long as you have a note selection and the focus is on the Editor, only selected notes will be edited.
I notice that my macro to transpose midi notes up or down only works in the Edit screen for selected notes IF you have no Event selected in the Arranger window. IF you have the Event selected in the Arranger winow, then if you go to the Edit window, select a note in the next events along, then click the transpose macro, the notes in the selected Event move up or down, but not the note selected in the Edit window.

This is some sort of note/event selection issue - the macro is straightforward Musical Functions/Transpose.

I find it easier to use a macro as dragging can sometimes be tricky if you have not set Snap. It shouldn't make any difference.

If you select a note, that should transpose. But it seems that selecting an Event supersedes note selection in an unselected Event.
 
This does seem to have changed
It has not changed since version 3 (2015) actually.

I notice that my macro to transpose midi notes up or down only works in the Edit screen for selected notes IF you have no Event selected in the Arranger window. IF you have the Event selected in the Arranger winow, then if you go to the Edit window, select a note in the next events along, then click the transpose macro, the notes in the selected Event move up or down, but not the note selected in the Edit window.

This is some sort of note/event selection issue - the macro is straightforward Musical Functions/Transpose.
Cannot confirm this either. Here it works exactly as expected:

transpose.gif


Please provide a video.
 
I find it easier to use a macro as dragging can sometimes be tricky if you have not set Snap.
There are a lot of different options to transpose notes. I've made a video on this recently - perhaps there are some ideas that you don't know yet:

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Hope this helps!
 
I'm not sure if this particular behavior is explained in the manual. But I'm currently working on a video manual for the Note Editor and this will definitely be part of it.
Oh WOW.... great timing. I did not use Studio One for a while, so will need to reacquaint myself again. Looking forward to your video!
 
I looked at Lukas' MIDI note editing videos, and as usual, he covers a lot. Showing the benefits of grid on, and grid off maneuvering. I also use the arrow keys for pitch changes. We work very much the same. I also often duplicate by highlighting notes, and using the alt + drag possibilities, with a slight difference in timing, or keeping to the same time/grid. However one prefers to work. Also familiarize yourself using the track inspector by highlighting notes, then scrolling over fields for bar/beat/ticks, or transpose.
Very useful, and no wasted clicks with having to activate the field. This has always been the case since the very first version of Studio One.
 
Cannot confirm this either. Here it works exactly as expected:

Not as I described - in your video you have the Event selected and then transpose notes in that same Event.

But if you have that Event selected and then move to a different event and click on notes in that in the Edit window, when you try to transpose them, it transposes notes in the selected Event, not the notes in the next event you just clicked on. I will try and do a video but that is sometimes tricky for me.
 
The second video shows that when an Event is selected, if you click into the next Event in the Edit window, and then click on a note, when you try and transpose that note, because the earlier Event is still selected, the Transpose still transposes the notes in that selected earlier Event. This can't be normal Edit behaviour?
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The first video shows that when an Event is selected, if you try to select one note to transpose, all of the notes are transposed regardless of the one selected note. I would have thought that despite an event being selected in the Arrange Window, selecting a note should override the Event selection. To me this seems to be an issue with Event selection which seems to be defaulting to selecting all Midi notes in that event when you transpose by macro, unless you click on the note and drag the note manually. This seems like some sort of bug to me - unless someone can tell me it is something to do with Selection preferences.

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Here's what I'm finding...
There's different results based on where you open focus for the Macro Organizer.

Results If you open the Macro Organizer in Arranger...
  • "Only note(s) last selected in the Editor" move with a Transpose macropage choice.
  • "All note(s) in the event move" with a Transpose macropage choice when the event is selected last.

Results If you open the Macro Organizer in the Editor...
  • "Only note(s) selected in the Editor" move with a Transpose macropage choice (even if the event is select last).
 
Results If you open the Macro Organizer in the Editor...

  • "Only note(s) selected in the Editor" move with a Transpose macropage choice (even if the event is select last).

Thanks Trucky - that has indeed solved this conundrum - and my macro now works as it should. I honestly had never opened the macros in the Editor. I didn't realise there was a disconnect between where you actually open the Macro toolbar.

At least I know now - that the macros work differently depending on which window you open them in. I thought the Macro Toolbar was the one to use in the Main Arrange window and had never even considered opening it in the Edit window (screen space being a consideration).

Thanks Trucky for spotting this - it is a bit of a faff for me to do videos and then post them here - but clearly worthwhile as you spotted my issue!

This will wean me off using Digital Performer as a Midi Editor if this now works as I want it to.

Thanks!
 
The second video shows that when an Event is selected, if you click into the next Event in the Edit window, and then click on a note, when you try and transpose that note, because the earlier Event is still selected, the Transpose still transposes the notes in that selected earlier Event. This can't be normal Edit behaviour?
Hi Gary,

thanks for posting the video. It clarifies what's going on.

The "issue" occurs because your Note Editor is detached. That's why I said "make sure the Note Editor is in focus." Detached windows can't be focused (there's no blue focus frame) - so when you trigger a note action from the arrangement Macro Toolbar, it gets always applied to the arrangement selection (which is the event) instead.

You'll notice that if you reattach the Note Editor, everything works as expected.

Solution (as Trucky already pointed out): When using a detached Note Editor, use the Macro Toolbar inside the Note Editor itself.
 
Amazing thanks a lot :)
I'm trying to understand the logic behind this, is this explained somewhere in the help?
I tried looking for it, but could not find anything related.

Thanks again for helping, much appreciated.
Robert
Getting back to the OP's question....
Hi Robert, what is very possible is you imported a type 0 MIDI file based on the instruments usage, or general MIDI file types still out there. It's possible to not be able to separate tracks from a MIDI file if that file is type 0.

In a nutshell, standard MIDI Files come in two basic varieties: a Type 1 file, and a Type 0 file. In a Type 1 file individual parts are saved on different tracks within the sequence. In a Type 0 file everything is merged into a single track.

There is a type 2, but no need to call on it here, as it is not realIy used for this discussion.
Hope that helps you, going forward.
 
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