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Solved Hearing unwanted noise with Keeley Dark Side v2 pedal...

Hiya,

I have connected my Keeley Dark Side V2 pedal to my laptop with Studio One 7 Pro, but I hear extra sound when tuning up the Fuzz,
Can you explain in greater detail "extra sound"? Thanks.

how can I make it a Fuzz and no extra sound, cause it has effect on the rest of the rec?

thanks
A little unclear, but if I'm understanding you correctly. I'm familiar with the Keely Dark Side. Great pedal! If you are connecting the Dark Side to your audio interface first (typically), then that is printed (recorded) to your audio track without the ability to adjust the sound's distortion in any way thereafter. I'd suggest only using the distortion and keeping reverb and delay to near minimum. You can always add those additional effects later.
The added "extra sound" you're hearing might be that something in your guitar chain is being boosted just as the sound of the guitar strings are. So if there's some bad noise like a ground hum, or pickup (coil) hum, it's also going to be amplified.

You could treat the Dark Side as an external insert, which in this case would be the best choice and allow you to control the amount of Dark Side effect you want. You have to also have the correct impedance matching going on to get both the optimum sound (like Gilmore's), and avoid what could be really bad sound/noise/hum otherwise.
As you can see, "extra sound" does not help us assist you, because of your unclear description.
Don't give up, just tell us more.
● Clarify "added noise"
● Add your equipment, audio interface,
● how have you connected the Keely Dark Side.
Thank you.

Added: Typically, guitar devices with a Hi Z impedance don't match all that well with quite a few balanced audio interfaces. Its close, but can be a bit weak sounding. You'll need a direct box, or JFET boost signal to best match your guitar and effects levels.
Some Audient audio interfaces come with a dedicated optional input for such things.
 
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The pedals I use are, from left to right:
Interface - Overdrive pedal - Keeley Dark Side - Delay pedal

So, if I understand correctly, No extra Delay pedal and No Overdrive pedal

With 'added noise' I mean, when I turn the Fuzz higher, I hear the strings peeping when I'm not playing.

This will probably get solved when I change the settings, the problem is that I really don't have a clue how I have to put them, could you help me with that?
 
Correct. the overdrive pedal, will only add noise that Dark Side will then amplify.that and a delay pedal can be added at your own taste with something like Studio One's Analog delay later. However, if you simply love the delay coming out of Dark Side, just keep it for now. That delay won't add noise, and is simply a matter of taste. Your guitar must not contribute noise.. Dark Side is fantastic, so it's best to leave anything else out of the equation.
Silly question, but I have to ask. Are you using a Statocaster to obtain something close to his sound? My guess is you already have a great sound that you want to carry over to your Studio One interface. So let's go forward with that.

In your order left to right, you state Interface - Overdrive pedal - Keeley Dark Side - Delay pedal".
Why interface first? That should be last. I would be expect to hear something like.....
Strat first, then direct to the Keely Dark Side. Then into a audio interface (please note, which type), the USB of the interface goes to th3 laptop, and you monitor the output through the Studio One main outputs. That being the monitor out of your audio interface. This for now so that you have a one to one correlation of what you're hearing and what is is going on your track. That is the simplest and most direct path.

Left to right, I'm anticipating as first to last, respectively.
 
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I think the easiest path to getting an already great sounding device that's well thought out like the Dark Side, is make the transition simple. If your setup already sounds good and you don't need the overdrive pedal, get the sound you already like into your audio interface. All an audio interface actually is, is quite similar to a channel in and out of a mixing console. You have balanced ins and outs, with signal routing within (your DAW). If you keep to that focus, the rest is just minor tweaks. If you go in and are experiencing other noises, and generally are not meeting good results, you're going to find things are difficult. Make sure your gain, and guitar signal are a good -8 to -12 dB's below 0 (peak). It's really all I can say. You've got a great sounding pedal. Get the good sound first through an amp. Keep your settings, now take that into the console (your audio interface).

One last thought. Try running clean, with no pedals, into your audio interface. Set your levels and gain as mentioned. You should have a clean acceptable guitar sound going forward. At that point, now insert, the Dark Side v2. Drop the gain slightly as the signal will be hotter. Reset your gain and mixer level on that track so that your meters read the same (important). Make absolutely sure you are not overloading the signal at the audio interface input (no peak indicator is lighting up).

Please list your system specs, going forward. Thx.
 
I think the easiest path to getting an already great sounding device that's well thought out like the Dark Side, is make the transition simple. If your setup already sounds good and you don't need the overdrive pedal, get the sound you already like into your audio interface. All an audio interface actually is, is quite similar to a channel in and out of a mixing console. You have balanced ins and outs, with signal routing within (your DAW). If you keep to that focus, the rest is just minor tweaks. If you go in and are experiencing other noises, and generally are not meeting good results, you're going to find things are difficult. Make sure your gain, and guitar signal are a good -8 to -12 dB's below 0 (peak). It's really all I can say. You've got a great sounding pedal. Get the good sound first through an amp. Keep your settings, now take that into the console (your audio interface).

One last thought. Try running clean, with no pedals, into your audio interface. Set your levels and gain as mentioned. You should have a clean acceptable guitar sound going forward. At that point, now insert, the Dark Side v2. Drop the gain slightly as the signal will be hotter. Reset your gain and mixer level on that track so that your meters read the same (important). Make absolutely sure you are not overloading the signal at the audio interface input (no peak indicator is lighting up).

Please list your system specs, going forward. Thx.
I'll take this information and try to make the sound as good as possible, thanks.
 
Correct. the overdrive pedal, will only add noise that Dark Side will then amplify.that and a delay pedal can be added at your own taste with something like Studio One's Analog delay later. However, if you simply love the delay coming out of Dark Side, just keep it for now. That delay won't add noise, and is simply a matter of taste. Your guitar must not contribute noise.. Dark Side is fantastic, so it's best to leave anything else out of the equation.
Silly question, but I have to ask. Are you using a Statocaster to obtain something close to his sound? My guess is you already have a great sound that you want to carry over to your Studio One interface. So let's go forward with that.

In your order left to right, you state Interface - Overdrive pedal - Keeley Dark Side - Delay pedal".
Why interface first? That should be last. I would be expect to hear something like.....
Strat first, then direct to the Keely Dark Side. Then into a audio interface (please note, which type), the USB of the interface goes to th3 laptop, and you monitor the output through the Studio One main outputs. That being the monitor out of your audio interface. This for now so that you have a one to one correlation of what you're hearing and what is is going on your track. That is the simplest and most direct path.

Left to right, I'm anticipating as first to last, respectively.
I still would like to give an answer as good as possible to make things more clear.

Okay, I will keep out the overdrive pedal.
Well, that's what I thought about the Delay, its already in the Dark Side, but to add as last, noted.
Yes, I use the Fender Stratocaster Roadworn.
The order I will do it now: Strat - Keeley Dark Side - Interface (Presonus Audiobox 96 USB) - Laptop with Studio One, using the Marshall jcm amp.

Do I need a Studio One compressor?

The song Sorrow needs major Fuzz, when I turn the Fuzz up the sound from the strings are there when I dont play and its sounds like one bigg mess.
 
I still would like to give an answer as good as possible to make things more clear.

Okay, I will keep out the overdrive pedal.
Well, that's what I thought about the Delay, its already in the Dark Side, but to add as last, noted.
Yes, I use the Fender Stratocaster Roadworn.
The order I will do it now: Strat - Keeley Dark Side - Interface (Presonus Audiobox 96 USB) - Laptop with Studio One, using the Marshall jcm amp.
Cool, the delay, keep. It's in Darkside and is an integral part of the sound you want. I All good there.
Do I need a Studio One compressor?
Hmmm, hard to say, but here are the tradeoffs to every compressor. An added compressor will give you added sustain (likely needed on Sorrow). The downside is a compressor will often boost the background noise. So you have to try different tools (pedals, or software DSP). More on that later.
The song Sorrow needs major Fuzz, when I turn the Fuzz up the sound from the strings are there when I dont play and its sounds like one bigg mess.
Good example. Sorrow has some serious overtones and that sound is the product of a pretty elaborate Gilmore setup. Imagine, he uses Hi Watt stacks and some dedicated effects around his rack as well as some old traditional pedals, fuzztone, etc. So you're facing a pretty steep climb on that particular song, but thanks for providing an idea of what you're going after. Try also to get some simpler DG sounds to get in the ballpark.

What you also might appreciate is that most compressors, fuzz devices (odd or even transient based, or analog) and even feedback (real or simulated), ore amp and amp bias, are all very different sounding. So it's a matter of taste, and finding the right flaver you want. Studio One's compressor is pretty nice, but for guitar tones, you want sustain, without crushing the attack. In other words, go easy on the attack threashold, but long (slow) on the release.

when you don't play, and it sounds like a mess, that's largely both controlling your playing (muffing or holding the strings, to avoid them feeding back, and the compressor raising the threshold into sounding very ugly (as you stated). Add a noise gate to your setup, try it either first (after the guitar), or last (before the audiobox 96). With a little care, you can prevent that noise from erupting so play around with the threashold. Oh yeah, Studio One also has a noise gate, so try that at the input of your track. That's the far left side of the mixer, where you set your input channels. It does work rather well.

Try some easier and less demanding songs as well, because I suspect Sorrow was quite an undertaking to capture. with live and in the studio. Not necessarily, direct into DAW kind of stuff, it we're being honest.
You're still going to get some great sounds, just the same, so keep exploring the possabiities.

Lastly, be creative. Try splitting your Studio One guitar (or other) channel. This is very on par with good recording engineer habits. For example, run the Studio One compressor to one side, the other side might contain a clean, non compressed, but subtle re EQ'd, sound that provides some other overtones (phase, or feedback). Where the split returns back to one, that's where you might place the noise gate. Or have the noise gate as mentioned at the input.
Creative approaches to mixing is one of the best places you can take your sound, and I can't state that enough.
I'm a big fan of Atom Heart Mother, and Dark Side. Both mix engineered by Alan Parsons.
 
Cool, the delay, keep. It's in Darkside and is an integral part of the sound you want. I All good there.

Hmmm, hard to say, but here are the tradeoffs to every compressor. An added compressor will give you added sustain (likely needed on Sorrow). The downside is a compressor will often boost the background noise. So you have to try different tools (pedals, or software DSP). More on that later.

Good example. Sorrow has some serious overtones and that sound is the product of a pretty elaborate Gilmore setup. Imagine, he uses Hi Watt stacks and some dedicated effects around his rack as well as some old traditional pedals, fuzztone, etc. So you're facing a pretty steep climb on that particular song, but thanks for providing an idea of what you're going after. Try also to get some simpler DG sounds to get in the ballpark.

What you also might appreciate is that most compressors, fuzz devices (odd or even transient based, or analog) and even feedback (real or simulated), ore amp and amp bias, are all very different sounding. So it's a matter of taste, and finding the right flaver you want. Studio One's compressor is pretty nice, but for guitar tones, you want sustain, without crushing the attack. In other words, go easy on the attack threashold, but long (slow) on the release.

when you don't play, and it sounds like a mess, that's largely both controlling your playing (muffing or holding the strings, to avoid them feeding back, and the compressor raising the threshold into sounding very ugly (as you stated). Add a noise gate to your setup, try it either first (after the guitar), or last (before the audiobox 96). With a little care, you can prevent that noise from erupting so play around with the threashold. Oh yeah, Studio One also has a noise gate, so try that at the input of your track. That's the far left side of the mixer, where you set your input channels. It does work rather well.

Try some easier and less demanding songs as well, because I suspect Sorrow was quite an undertaking to capture. with live and in the studio. Not necessarily, direct into DAW kind of stuff, it we're being honest.
You're still going to get some great sounds, just the same, so keep exploring the possabiities.

Lastly, be creative. Try splitting your Studio One guitar (or other) channel. This is very on par with good recording engineer habits. For example, run the Studio One compressor to one side, the other side might contain a clean, non compressed, but subtle re EQ'd, sound that provides some other overtones (phase, or feedback). Where the split returns back to one, that's where you might place the noise gate. Or have the noise gate as mentioned at the input.
Creative approaches to mixing is one of the best places you can take your sound, and I can't state that enough.
I'm a big fan of Atom Heart Mother, and Dark Side. Both mix engineered by Alan Parsons.
Okay, I think I can do more with it.
The noise gate must be a good one to try.

Also, when I noticed that many record at low volume and later set it to the sound they are looking for.
Is this really necessary or not and if so, which volumes do I have to set low with recording?

Idd, maybe its, instead of Sorrow, better to play songs of Animalls, cause the settings of Dark Side are on Youtube for several songs.
Think when I know more about the pedal, I could come back on Sorrow.
At least, I am from the moment I bought it, surtain that all Pink songs must be playable with it, if you know the way.
 
Okay, I think I can do more with it.
The noise gate must be a good one to try.

Also, when I noticed that many record at low volume and later set it to the sound they are looking for.
Is this really necessary or not and if so, which volumes do I have to set low with recording?
Towards that sound, people will have different opinions about it. That's because guitar sounds are a smorgasbord of different sounds. Even when trying to capture one persons sound. Gilmore's sound in particular. In my early twenties, I bought my first HiWatt stack. A Custom Hi Watt 50, with two, 4-12" bottoms. That bugger was load! But it cut like a knife due to the head, and the speakers HiWatt chose (Fane 12"). The sound was great at medium to loud. You might want to look into some HiWatt Impulse responses (IR's). That will somewhat capture that bight cut, coming out of those 70's Fane speakers. The good news is, you could add that IR to Studio One's own Open Air convolution reverb. Lower volumes can also work. I'm a fan of both loud and low methods. My point though, there is no substitute for real mic'd HiWatts. Understandably, we live in our ways and means, and compromises happen. You've got a great start!
Levels:
Guitar 7 - 10 depending on desired pickup presence.
Dark Side - depends on settings, suit to taste
Audio Interface input - will vary on what precedes it, but while keeping Studio One's input mixer fader at 0 (nominal), set the audiobox to never peak, but be relatively hot so playing style will differ, so watch that. If it's something you can't always watch, you should run a peak limiter before the audiobox. A compressor will do as a substitute.
Studio One master out - always 0, never touch it.
Idd, maybe its, instead of Sorrow, better to play songs of Animalls, cause the settings of Dark Side are on Youtube for several songs.
Cool. I've heard some really nice examples as well.
Think when I know more about the pedal, I could come back on Sorrow.
Agreed.
At least, I am from the moment I bought it, surtain that all Pink songs must be playable with it, if you know the way.
Likely, yes. Gilmore's sound is so amazingly natural, but also very deceptive in getting those really great subtleties. Even every strat is a bit different. Often by a lot. I've owned three Fender Strats, from the seventees, eighties, and nineties. They're all different. I worked at Sam Ash, and played them all the time. Each one different. Woods, pickups, weight, and vibe, yep.... all different. So like so many of us guitarists, chasing one's sound, one has to be an alchemist. My suggestion is to find your sound. Then others can pull their hair out trying to chase YOU down.
The Keeley Dark Side is a great place to start even towards your own sound.
Enjoy my friend.
BTW, I still have my early 90's Fender Strat. It's a MIJ 54' vintage, tobacco sunburst.
 
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Towards that sound, people will have different opinions about it. That's because guitar sounds are a smorgasbord of different sounds. Even when trying to capture one persons sound. Gilmore's sound in particular. In my early twenties, I bought my first HiWatt stack. A Custom Hi Watt 50, with two, 4-12" bottoms. That bugger was load! But it cut like a knife due to the head, and the speakers HiWatt chose (Fane 12"). The sound was great at medium to loud. You might want to look into some HiWatt Impulse responses (IR's). That will somewhat capture that bight cut, coming out of those 70's Fane speakers. The good news is, you could add that IR to Studio One's own Open Air convolution reverb. Lower volumes can also work. I'm a fan of both loud and low methods. My point though, there is no substitute for real mic'd HiWatts. Understandably, we live in our ways and means, and compromises happen. You've got a great start!
Levels:
Guitar 7 - 10 depending on desired pickup presence.
Dark Side - depends on settings, suit to taste
Audio Interface input - will vary on what precedes it, but while keeping Studio One's input mixer fader at 0 (nominal), set the audiobox to never peak, but be relatively hot so playing style will differ, so watch that. If it's something you can't always watch, you should run a peak limiter before the audiobox. A compressor will do as a substitute.
Studio One master out - always 0, never touch it.

Cool. I've heard some really nice examples as well.

Agreed.

Likely, yes. Gilmore's sound is so amazingly natural, but also very deceptive in getting those really great subtleties. Even every stat is a bit different. Often by a lot. I've owned three Fender Strats, from the seventeen, eighties, and nineties. They're all different. I worked at Sam Ash, and played them all the time. Each one different. Woods, pickups, weight, and vibe, yep.... all different. So like so many of us guitarists, chasing ones sound, one has to be an alchemist. My suggestion is to find your sound. Then others can pull their hair out trying to chase YOU down.
The Keeley Dark Side is a great place to start even towards your own sound.
Enjoy my friend.
BTW, I still have my early 90's Fender Strat. It's a MIJ 54' vintage, tobacco sunburst.
Okay, thank you for awnser my loads of questions.
I surtenly become wiser and it will also bring things to do, but I guess that comes with playing Gilmourish. ;-)

I will keep reading a long about these things idd.

Thanks!
 
Okay, thank you for awnser my loads of questions.
I surtenly become wiser and it will also bring things to do, but I guess that comes with playing Gilmourish. ;-)

I will keep reading a long about these things idd.

Thanks!
About the amp, yea I immediatly looked for Hiwatt, but the problem is that my appartement is 60m2 .
I
 
Another question,
I took your suggestions, but I keep hearing from Studio One, instead of an Amp sound, a clearly computersound, howcome?

Greetings
 
Another question,
I took your suggestions, but I keep hearing from Studio One, instead of an Amp sound, a clearly computersound, howcome?

Greetings
I use mostly headphones when tracking guitar. I think the reason many will use software models and no amp, is the convenience, and price factor. It's way less expensive.
I brought up the HiWatt because that is an integral part of DG's sound. It doesn't come replicated via amp & cab modeling.
I got his sound with that amp. I sometimes go through my current amp, which is a Marshal 50 watt. I cannot get anything close, but it does have other gems for good sound. It's just different.
I use a number of different models through the computer as well, when tracking.
I think you'll simply find what works for you. 👍
 
I use mostly headphones when tracking guitar. I think the reason many will use software models and no amp, is the convenience, and price factor. It's way less expensive.
I brought up the HiWatt because that is an integral part of DG's sound. It doesn't come replicated via amp & cab modeling.
I got his sound with that amp. I sometimes go through my current amp, which is a Marshal 50 watt. I cannot get anything close, but it does have other gems for good sound. It's just different.
I use a number of different models through the computer as well, when tracking.
I think you'll simply find what works for you. 👍
I also use most of the time the headphones, cause I can hear it better then comming out of the speakers.
True, the price is also what made me buy it. If I would have to buy the gear thats in Studio One, I would need a lot of cash.
Eventhough, the computersound comes up when I plug in my Dark Side, and thats what I dont get.
Normal Studio One is sounding good, but with the Dark Side the computersound comes up.
I see loads of people playing on Youtube with the Dark Side and have good sound, so it must be possible, right?

And Marshall is idd very good, but because of my appartmentsize Im glad with the use of Studio One.
 
I also use most of the time the headphones, cause I can hear it better then comming out of the speakers.
True, the price is also what made me buy it. If I would have to buy the gear thats in Studio One, I would need a lot of cash.
Eventhough, the computersound comes up when I plug in my Dark Side, and thats what I dont get.
Normal Studio One is sounding good, but with the Dark Side the computersound comes up.
I see loads of people playing on Youtube with the Dark Side and have good sound, so it must be possible, right?
Ok, I wasn't sure what you meant by computersound from your last response. So the issue you're having, but you hear in other examples from those using Darkside is that it just sounds better. This still goes back to my original points about matching impedance correctly, and maybe some early on noise level issues.
So, quick recap (summary)
●You've minimized any additional effects (good).
●You've added a noise gate just before your input channels in Studio One (good) Btw, you can add two noise gates at each end of your effects chain. Reason is the noise may be coming before the effects, or after the effects. Just be aware of the noise gate settings.
● (In process) You've made sure you're guitar has no noise issues (more common with single coil guitars, such as Stratocasters, telecasters, Gibson P90's, etc.). A way to verify your Stratocasters noise is change to another guitar and compare the two. Humbuckers will always be a little quieter, but you're listening for some drastic change with your Strat being noisier. That can often be the issue. If it is, or let's say both guitars are still noisy, you have to check your AC circuits ground, and integrity. Check and avoid light dimmers. If you have dimmers, they should be full on, or completely off. If you place them somewhere in the middle, and you hear noise, there is your problem. Also, move the guitar around. Is it noisier in some positions, and not others? If so, it's a ground issue. Grounds can act like an antenna in such cases, so you need to either lift the ground (open/remove) or you don't have any actual ground, and make one. This is a common issue so don't feel like it's your unique problem.

The above can be the reason you're experiencing real bad noise issues.

There are many articles on how to minimize guitar noise. This includes better shielding such as tin foil under the pick guard, pan pots, replacing your pickups with stacked double coil humbuckers, etc.

And Marshall is idd very good, but because of my appartmentsize Im glad with the use of Studio One.
Understood. Its still sounds as though you need to know where the bad noises are coming from, so really make sure your guitar, and AC circuit has no light dimmers, and that grounding is proper. That may include better ground shielding (both apartment, and guitar).

*The best situation for any Studio, or home Studio is to have a dedicated AC (separate breaker), properly grounded, and with no light dimmers on that circuit at all. This may be beyond your control, but I'm simply mentioning it.

*A light dimmer, even going to another room can still be a problem for a Studio. Light dimmers must be on another circuit (breaker). Not on the breaker that your Studio or audio interface is on.

Guitars tend to be the weakest link in revealing these issues, but poor grounding can impact the Studio on a whole. The more boosted gain such as Gilmore's sound, only adds gasoline to the fire. ; )
 
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Don't forget the cheaper LED light sources with badly designed pulse width modulation cuircuitry. That can really mess up your electric circuit stability.
One way (but it's no certainty) to quickly determine if your guitar has a grounding issue is listening if the amount of noise is increasing when to let go of the strings and it reduces once you touch the strings again. It that's the case you definitely have a ground issue, if not you might still have one, but I'd start looking further up in the chain (cables, peddles etc..)

[•••] stacked double coil hamburgers, etc.[•••]
I'll have to try those next BBQ :geek:
 
....I...man...
So far I cán say that when the idea popped up to plug it into my RathAmp 30 watt , the sound was good, so that means its not the guitar.
Im going to follow-up the rest of the list you gave me, I hope I will get the sollution soon.
If I do, I will let it know.
 
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