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JBMusic

JBMusic

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I really am beginning to wish I would've never upgraded to Version 7. And I'm not blaming version 7 or Presonus. It's just how things always work out for me. I just finished a project. I converted all the MIDIs over to WAVs for mixing (like I've been doing for years). I just recently ran a mix that had "crackling" noises at various parts of the playback which are only audible in the rendered mix. I then ran another mix without adjusting anything and got the same stupid crackling noises in different areas of the song. It's like playing "whack-a-mole" or a crap shoot, Spin the wheel and see what happens this time. I'm getting so disgusted I'm about ready to take a sledge hammer to everything in my music room! Seriously! But here's a funny thing. I did a DAWProject conversion to open this project in version 6. I had to re-adjust some volume on some tracks but no stupid crackling noises.. I really hope somebody here can help me find a solution to this. If you suggest it's my poor excuse of a Core i5 computer I swear I'm gonna burn the thing!! It's only a little more than 3 years old. I never had this issue with Cakewalk. Only S1 version 7. I guess my POS computer just cannot handle S1 v7. I'm tired of the frustration. I hope somebody can help he come to a solution short of replacing my PC. If you can't, I quit. I've had it!

BTW- I also tried turning off all security programs and updated all plugins involved in this particular project.

Thanks

:) John B
 
Have you tried the real-time mixdown instead of accelerated?
 
BobF said:
Have you tried the real-time mixdown instead of accelerated?
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Didn't t know there was such a thing. Thanks, Bob. I will give that a try.
:)
 
Just as a kind of confirmation, sometimes when I did a mixdown it would chug along until I got the dreaded 'Clipping has occurred' message (no info as to where, of course :rolleyes: ). This only occurred when I was being impatient and was doing accelerated mixdown (the stuff I write tends to be on the album-side size) - tho most of the time it was fine. Anyhoo, I found switching to doing troublesome mixesdowns in realtime seemed to fix most such things for me (doesn't help for when you've actually done something stupid in the music tho :LOL: )
 
There is the possibility that in version 7 the wrong audio driver is selected. Did you check that? I see no difference in performance here.

Another thing to check: version 7 uses the latest VST protocol and some plugins may not act properly on that (which means they need an update of course). See what happens when you don't use plugins, or only stock for example. Also open the CPU monitor and then play back the song, you will possibly see one plugin showing spikes. Disable that plugin and play it again.

You should not see a change in performance between 6 and 7, so don't smash your computer. We will find a solution!
 
Thanks for your replies. It seems to happen at the exact same spot in the song. It's in a MIDI violin solo. I tried cutting the volume down and even replaced the channel with a new one. Same stupid noise every time. Not so in 6. How do I check the drivers? Attached is my PCs specs.

:)JB
 

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Ok, but with which instrument? It's not about it being a violin, it's about it being a specific instrument. Did you see if changing the instrument makes a difference? If it's always the same spot I wonder if maybe it's possible to send me the song file so I can check what's going on
 
Dave71 said:
Ok, but with which instrument? It's not about it being a violin, it's about it being a specific instrument. Did you see if changing the instrument makes a difference? If it's always the same spot I wonder if maybe it's possible to send me the song file so I can check what's going on
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Thank you for your kind attention, Sir. This is a WAV file of a violin form the UVI Orchestra Suite. The sound is fine in MIDI. It's just this noise in the audio WAV form in this mix. I didn't mention this above but I deleted the track and channel of that instrument and played the song without it and there was no noise. After that I replaced the audio channel with a new one and re inserted the violin audio track and the noise returned. I will try looking at the audio configuration first and if that checks I'll send you an song file.

Thanks again.

:) John B
 
JBMusic said:
Thank you for your kind attention, Sir. This is a WAV file of a violin form the UVI Orchestra Suite. The sound is fine in MIDI. It's just this noise in the audio WAV form in this mix. I didn't mention this above but I deleted the track and channel of that instrument and played the song without it and there was no noise. After that I replaced the audio channel with a new one and re inserted the violin audio track and the noise returned. I will try looking at the audio configuration first and if that checks I'll send you an song file.

Thanks again.

:) John B
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Hmmm... that is certainly strange. First thought would be that it's the instrument not dealing well with offline rendering, but if version 6 does it correctly... So, I'm still interested in that file, unless you find that something was off in the audio settings. At least it apparently is not an overall issue, just with one song with one instrument at one specific point in that song. So I expect the settings will be fine
 
Yes. It's very frustrating. I did check the audio settings and actually thought we were onto something. The buffer was low at 128. I set it to high @1024 and ran a mix and it worked the first time. I ran it again and the same old problem. I'll send that file hopefully later today. I have to set up Christmas decorations this afternoon so maybe tonight if not tomorrow. Can I send it via attachment in this forum?
JB
 
If you haven't yet, you should import that DAW Project file that you exported. The end result of that is the song being in a clean new v7 song file.

I'd normally reccomend using Import Song Data but exporting DAW project and re-importing may be faster and easier.
 
Sorry, I can't upload an MP3 or WAV to this post so I can't send you an example.

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So, I'll give you the story of how I spent the better part of a whole damned day trying to find why this has been giving me so much grief and it continues to every time I render a mix. I must've rendered at least 20 mixes and 15 of them were version 7 and 5 were version 6.
I tried:
1. Switching from accelerated mix to real time. First time worked great! Thought I finally found the answer, but then there was the second time and the third. Failures!
2. Tried going into the audio section to see what the dropout protection was about. Saw it was set at 128. Raised it to 1024. First time, Great! Second and third the monster of failure re emerged.

3. Looked on YouTube and found Gregor's excellent vid on clipping. I tried the Limiter. Got rid on the many clipping instances but the extraneous noises in the violin solo stayed! And to add to my grief a new extraneous noise which sounds like there is part of another track playing in behind the original track shows up on the rendered WAV file but not in the open project. I looked carefully behind each and every track to see if a clip was behind one of them, but no. Nothing. And you don't hear it in the open project, just in the rendered WAV. Mystery, huh?

So, It's now 4:03 PM EST. I've been working on this POS since 6 this morning with only about 1 hour break.

I really don't want it to sound like I'm mad at you guys. Please believe me, I'm NOT. I appreciate all of your suggestions. I tried earlier to upload 2 small clips of the troubled area of my song but I cannot load a WAV or even an MP3 to this site. It won't allow me. When I go to the Browse menu I don't see the files.

And again, I ran the mix 5 times in Ver 6 and every time it ran perfectly.

The song I've been working with on this is my latest, which up until today, I loved. Now I had to listen to it so many damned times I'm burned out on it. I'm beginning to hate it.

I suppose I could just continue to work with ver 6 only but I suspect one of these days that will be phased out and I will no longer have access to it.
But I really don't want to do that. Version 7 is the current version and I really would love to work with it but I can't with so many problems. Ten years of working with Cakewalk and I never once had issues with rendering mixdowns!

I'm not saying it's version 7's fault either. You guys all seem to be happy with it. Why can't I be too? Maybe my system just doesn't get along with it. Computers and software are said to be a lot like people. Some get along fine and others don't. So after totally wasting a beautiful Friday after Thanksgiving on this and getting nowhere, I'm exhausted. I really wish I could've just stayed with Cakewalk but I don't want to deal with those people anymore. They have a special right now that I could get 1 year of use for less than $100.00 but I don't want to do that. I want to own a DAW, not rent one.

I'm still open for suggestions. Maybe there's a solution. I hope. Tell me how to get a sample to you. I just want to send you a clip and not the whole song mainly because I don't want you wasting 5 minutes of your time listening to the whole thing. I just want to give you the "sore spots"
and maybe you could help me. I'm not buying a new computer or having expensive and complicated alterations to the one I have. I wouldn't hope it's necessary so please don't suggest that. I have to be able to work with what I have.

Glad I got that off my chest.

Thanks
:) John B
 
I could upload to my Soundclick. You could get them there. How do you quote on this forum?

:)John B
 
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You can send me a dm if need be. I'm new to this forum as well, since it in fact a new forum ;-)
 
There are 2 files uploaded here. The explanation is in the description.
soundclick.com

Noise 2 by John Bowen

Noise 2 - distorted sound around 4 second mark. Listen with headphones
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soundclick.com

Problem 1 by John Bowen

Problem 1 - error around the words 'what was once....' at approx the 6 second mark #originalSingersongwriter
soundclick.com soundclick.com
 
NOTE ABOVE!! You need to wear headphones for both examples.
:)
 
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