Anyone know what S1 is doing after 'loading' but before actually showing you the song?

[madFloyd]

When I load songs in S1, I see a pop window for each plugin it's loading etc. Eventually it finishes with that and.... then nothing happens for some time. Anyone know what processes of loading a song are performed at this point?

The reason I ask is that sometimes I think S1 has frozen when in fact it's taking it's sweet time. I have one song that will stay in that state for 20 minutes or so...

 

[TDF1981]

Some plugins need to phone home these days to check if you have a legit license - this can cause the song loading time to increase a lot.

 

[BobF]

tweaking faders and zeroing buffers

I've never had *that* much of a delay. 3-4 seconds tops

 

[sintil8]

Some plugins need to phone home these days to check if you have a legit license - this can cause the song loading time to increase a lot.

@madFloyd
It could be any number things, but I get plugins showing up before the song file opens up fully.
20 mins !!! that's a long wait and does not sound right.
I get the Pace iLok phoning home if I have switched my wifi connection off, which IMHO seems a counter move to reducing latency.
Regards.

 

[Vocalpoint]

Have 406 third party plugins in play here - but have never seen a "popup" window for any of them within any given song.

I do see a fast and furious status dialog whip by listing things as the song loads up - but any song here is fully loaded in 3-4 seconds.

Do you have a sample screencap of some of these popup windows? AND - for the song that is taking 20 minutes - what plugins are in it?

VP

 

[AAV]

My projects load pretty quick. Lots of Kontakt 7 instances are probably the slowest for me... I would guess if you have a lot of samples, and especially if they're stored on an external drive...it could be slow. Mine are on an internal SSD, and I don't do big orchestral soundtracks or similar....

 

[madFloyd]

Thanks for the replies!

I think my situation is related to Synth V (if you're not familiar with it, it's a vocal instrument VST), especially in ARA mode.

I'm getting weird slowdowns (transforming an instrument track that simply has 2 bars of midi takes several minutes and it sends one of my CPU cores to 100% for a period of time - even after the transform appears to be finished.

I'm going to continue to troubleshoot...

 

[madFloyd]

Have 406 third party plugins in play here - but have never seen a "popup" window for any of them within any given song.

I do see a fast and furious status dialog whip by listing things as the song loads up - but any song here is fully loaded in 3-4 seconds.

Do you have a sample screencap of some of these popup windows? AND - for the song that is taking 20 minutes - what plugins are in it?

VP

I should have described it better; I was referring to the furious status dialogs as the song loads up.

 

[NoTimeForThoughts]

I should have described it better; I was referring to the furious status dialogs as the song loads up.

Are you actually having problems with the synth during the loading of the plugins, while that plugins loading window is on the screen? Or are you having the frozen situation after that plugin window is finished, and before the session fully loads up.

I have concluded that Graphics power is pretty important and Studio One causes my audio to slow and have problems on computers with less powerful graphics devices. It never really throws any problems when I am using my tower computer with the NVIDIA RTX 2070s with the dual fans on the unit by Gigabyte. Most laptops with NVIDIA weak Graphics units or AMD units won't work very well either if I get a lot of plugins going.

Could it be that your computer is weak and your system is just really slow?

Otherwise, if the VST just won't load very well there is what Sintil8 said above about the network. VSTS check network and iLoks, even if they don't use them, if they have strict licensing platforms, before they will open and let anyone use them they scan the networks and iLoks and make sure all the things are the same as when they were authorized. So you can't just turn off the computer on the same Router because they are scanning your network. They won't authorize, and they will leave you hanging for 20 minutes out of a sense of revenge because you are unrecognized and probably trying to rip them off, as they see it. Sorry but you can wait 20 minutes as far as they are concerned, which isn't very courteous!

 

[Sombreuil]

My projects load pretty quick. Lots of Kontakt 7 instances are probably the slowest for me... I would guess if you have a lot of samples, and especially if they're stored on an external drive...it could be slow. Mine are on an internal SSD, and I don't do big orchestral soundtracks or similar....

That's also my experience. The projects with lots of Kontakt 7 instances are by far the slowest to load. Kontakt 6 seems to load way faster for some reason though.

 

[sintil8]

@NoTimeForThoughts
Waves runs under waves shell, if you have one of their bundles it unwraps/scans them when loading SO1.
When loading SO1 I get a rotating W for a split second SO1 coughs and quickly moves on.
But yes, I also have had problems with Waves, not as severe as you seem to have gone through, but that comes with the territory and Vst's in general in my experience.

Speaking of Steinberg, I have noticed they have Ver14 out. I cut my teeth on Steinberg, their latest 2 updates have been met with a lot of
derision from some users in the forum and devs and reps have been popping into the forum to sort out issues for folk?
IMHO This was the best Steinberg release...it's where I started out.

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Regards

 

[sintil8]

That's also my experience. The projects with lots of Kontakt 7 instances are by far the slowest to load. Kontakt 6 seems to load way faster for some reason though.

If you use Kontakt 7 have a look at the Global Purge function it may help a little. YMMV
Best regards.

 

[NoTimeForThoughts]

If you use Kontakt 7 have a look at the Global Purge function it may help a little. YMMV
Best regards.

Sorry I had to think twice about what Floyd was saying about his issue and I may have changed my post somewhat generalizing over Waves and Steinberg in favor of just saying "some plugins" do these things. Anyways heads up I did mention Waves and Steinberg but changed it.

 

[sintil8]

Sorry I had to think twice about what Floyd was saying about his issue and I may have changed my post somewhat generalizing over Waves and Steinberg in favor of just saying "some plugins" do these things. Anyways heads up I did mention Waves and Steinberg but changed it.

No problem man, I will leave my post as is, it's pertinent in light of the fact of where we are now with a new forum. One of things about the old SO1
forum, it was rarely bogged down with bug reports. Yes there have been bugs, but for the most part they got squashed and IMHO., SO1 is a solid Daw.
No probs, kind regards for the heads up.

 

[Vocalpoint]

I have concluded that Graphics power is pretty important and Studio One causes my audio to slow and have problems on computers with less powerful graphics devices. It never really throws any problems when I am using my tower computer with the NVIDIA RTX 2070s with the dual fans on the unit by Gigabyte. Most laptops with NVIDIA weak Graphics units or AMD units won't work very well either if I get a lot of plugins going.

That cannot be a thing since I have no video card at all over here - and all my projects - big or small - load in less than 6 seconds. Most (if not all) DAWs require little to no fancy graphics whatsoever.

Another thing that everyone is overlooking is Windows Defender (if on Windows).

This thing will try and scan everything at all times and can REALLY slow down the show. You need to put S1 and ALL your major plugin folders (like C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3) on the ignore list and watch things improve dramatically.

My current Exclude list has about 30 locations on it. Including my entire S1 \Documents folder and espeically Kontakt which is known to be slow as dirt when loading.

VP

 

[sintil8]

That cannot be a thing since I have no video card at all over here - and all my projects - big or small - load in less than 6 seconds. Most (if not all) DAWs require little to no fancy graphics whatsoever.

Another thing that everyone is overlooking is Windows Defender (if on Windows).

This thing will try and scan everything at all times and can REALLY slow down the show. You need to put S1 and ALL your major plugin folders (like C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3) on the ignore list and watch things improve dramatically.

My current Exclude list has about 30 locations on it. Including my entire S1 \Documents folder and espeically Kontakt which is known to be slow as dirt when loading.

VP

I concur, I recently needed extra outputs as my mobo only has 2 video ports, but prior to that the intel CPU onboard UHD 770? was more than adequate.
But to the point, there are lots of bottlenecks or factors to having a happy Daw and that windows could do with an enema every now and then.
Regards

 

[madFloyd]

Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I am fairly certain the licensing is certainly one of the reasons for slow loading. I've had frustrations using Analog Lab (Arturia) because for every instance of their plugin, it causes a severe slowdown when loading (Task Manager will show Studio One not responding while Arturia Sofware Center Agent.exe takes over for a few minutes).

My latest problem stemmed from trying to use Dreamtonic's SynthV in ARA mode. I can get it to work, but pretty much any changes to the project (transforming other instrument tracks, tempo changes - heck even inserting a point on the tempo of the same value) creates chaos. Check out my CPU cores going nuts:



Needless to say, I've abandoned ARA for the time being.

 

[sintil8]

Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I am fairly certain the licensing is certainly one of the reasons for slow loading. I've had frustrations using Analog Lab (Arturia) because for every instance of their plugin, it causes a severe slowdown when loading (Task Manager will show Studio One not responding while Arturia Sofware Center Agent.exe takes over for a few minutes).

My latest problem stemmed from trying to use Dreamtonic's SynthV in ARA mode. I can get it to work, but pretty much any changes to the project (transforming other instrument tracks, tempo changes - heck even inserting a point on the tempo of the same value) creates chaos. Check out my CPU cores going nuts:

Man that's grim, is your CPU ok?

 

[madFloyd]

Man that's grim, is your CPU ok?

Seems to be, yes.

 

[JohnnyG]

Thanks for the replies!

I think my situation is related to Synth V (if you're not familiar with it, it's a vocal instrument VST), especially in ARA mode.

I'm getting weird slowdowns (transforming an instrument track that simply has 2 bars of midi takes several minutes and it sends one of my CPU cores to 100% for a period of time - even after the transform appears to be finished.

I'm going to continue to troubleshoot...

I also use Synt V and never experience that issue.